“ It is full of hundreds of thousands of survivors of the Holocaust if not, in fact, millions by now. The numbers of survivors seems to grow these passing years, it defies all laws of natural deceased and all laws, now the number of survivors is growing. And I said isn’t the existence of so many survivors in itself an indicator, something doesn’t, it doesn’t fit. If the Nazis had this dedicated programme to exterminate the Jews, how come so many of you have survived, were the Nazis sloppy or what? ”

“ So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we’re running’. ‘We had a good run for our money’ he writes in 1944 and here we are 44 years later and that hare is still running, bigger and stronger than ever because nobody now dares to stand up and kill it. It has go out of control. The Auschwitz propaganda lie that was starting to run in 1944 is now out of control and it going to take he-men of the kind of stature of Ernst Zündel to kill that particular hare. ”

“ Arno Meyer, the Professor in Princeton, a Jewish Professor in fact, who published a book called ‘Why Did the Heavens not Darken?’, he revealed in his book that of all the people who died in the concentration camps, including Auschwitz, by far the greatest part died of natural causes, whatever one could call ‘natural causes’ in wartime, I admit, natural causes in wartime are not what you or I would call natural causes today in Victoria. ”

“ Interviewer: So you’re saying only 100,000 people died in Auschwitz.
Irving: I didn’t say ‘only’. You can’t say ‘only’ 100,000 people died. If 100,000 innocent people died this is a crime, it’s a war crime (p 6) .
The Defendants’ evidence of the falsity of Irving’s claims
8.21 A formidable obstacle in the way of arriving at an accurate number for those killed by gas is that no records were kept by the Nazis of the numbers put to death in the gas chambers or, if they were, none have survived. ”

“ The expertise on how difficult it is to kill someone by cyanide. More difficult than you and the Holocaust historians think’ (p 14) .
‘I’m prepared to accept that local Nazis tried bizarre methods of liquidating Jews, I’m quite prepared to accept that, and that they may have experimented using gas trucks because I’ve seen one or two documents in the archives implying that there was a rollover from the use of those methods of killing...the same people who created the euthanasia programme, and they may have tried to [unin] of killing Jews, but it’s a very inefficient way of killing people. ”

“ He lies like an eye-witness, he lies like an eye-witness’ (pp13-14) .
‘And I’m in deep trouble for saying this around the world, that the eye-witnesses in Auschwitz who claim, like Eli Wiesel to have seen the gassings going on and the subsequent cremations, that they are liars... [page 14/15] ...He’s a liar. And so are the other eye-witnesses in Auschwitz who claim they saw gassings going on because there were no gas chambers in Auschwitz, as the forensic tests show. ”

“ But since 1945, the legend has marched . And this is a great sad facet of war. In wartime, quite justifiably, the warring factions and powers decide to use propaganda, they lie about each other. They lie, massively...When the Victory Day comes, these Ministries of Lies are not replaced by Ministries of Truth. So the old propaganda continues to march on and nobody really has the job of stopping these lies from flooding out. Particularly when some people find they have a vested interest in keeping the lies spewing forth’ (p12-13) . ”

“ Research carried out more recently, notably by Raul Hilberg and by Dr Piper of the Auschwitz Museum, has concluded that the true figure for the number of deaths at Auschwitz is in the region of 1.1 million of which the vast majority perished in the gas chambers. ”

“ But the principal basis upon which Irving sought to justify his claim that the gas chambers were a mendacious invention by British propaganda was that about one year later, a senior Foreign Office official named Cavendish-Bentinck, commented on a report of Poles being put to death in gas chambers that he did not believe that there is any evidence that this was being done. ”

“ May 1989
‘...Too many hundreds of millions of honest, intelligent people have been duped by the well-financed and brilliantly successful postwar publicity campaign which followed on from the original ingenious plan of the British Psychological Warfare Executive (PWE) in 1942 to spread to the world the propaganda story that the Germans were using ‘gas chambers’ to kill millions of Jews and other ‘undesirables’
(iii) Moers – 9th March 1990
‘where did this myth come from? And for me as an Englishman, that is the most interesting question: who invented the myth of the gas chambers? ”

“ It follows that a “Holocaust denier” is someone who, for one reason or another or for a combination of reasons, repudiates the notion that the above definition of the Holocaust is apt to describe what was sought to be done to the European Jews by the Nazis during World War 2. Evans testified that a characteristic of Holocaust denial is that it involves a politically motivated falsification of history.
8.4 In the opinion of Evans, the views expressed by Holocaust deniers include the following:
(i) that Jews were not killed in gas chambers or at least not on any significant scale ”

“ And the more they come to have taken part in a traumatic experience themselves, the more they are persuaded that they were right centre stage. They are the bride at every funeral and the corpse at every wedding, I think somebody once said’ (pp14-15) .
‘And there are so many survivors of Auschwitz now, in fact, that I get very tasteless about all of this. I don’t see any reason to be tasteful about Auschwitz. ”

“ No lorry convoys are to be seen, where the coke, under circumstances, might have been delivered by lorry’ (p 22) .
‘Now, I said that the eye witnesses are in fact a matter for psychological examination I think. Psychiatric examination even. ...but I don’t mean that in an offensive way. I wouldn’t mind it if somebody said about me that some of my statements need to be psychiatrically analysed because the human being, the psyche, is a very complex instrument’ (p 22-3) . ”

“ They found nothing. These are the scientific methods. We have truth on our side’ (p 27) .
‘The aerial photographs don’t only show how we have right, truth on our side, but how the enemies have faked the pictures. ”

“ Whatever happened, were the crimes of individual gangsters and criminals who deserved to be individually and separately punished (p 23) .
(iii) 11th IHR Conference – 11 October 1992
‘Now you probably know that I’m a Revisionist to a degree, but I’m not a Revisionist to the extent that I say that there were no murders of Jews. I think we have to accept that there were My Lai-type massacres where SS officers – the Einsatzkommandos – did machine-gun hundreds if not thousands of Jews into pits. ”

“ VIII. JUSTIFICATION: THE CLAIM THAT IRVING IS A “HOLOCAUST DENIER”
What is meant by the term “Holocaust denier”
8.1 The threshold question is whether Irving has denied the Holocaust and, if so, in what terms and how comprehensively? Irving has at no time sought to controvert the following facts:
(a) that the Nazis established concentration (as opposed to extermination) camps throughout their territories;
(b) that from about June 1941 when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union many thousands of Jews and others in the East were shot and killed by Nazi soldiers ”

“ Whilst the Defendants do assert that these deaths are the result of deliberate genocidal policy on the part of the Nazis, they must of course be discounted in order to reach a correct estimate of the number of deaths in the gas chambers. Initial estimates, largely based on the capacity of the crematoria, ran as high as 4 million. As has been see the camp commandant, Hoss, gave varying estimates, ranging from 3 million to 1.1 million. However, analysis of the numbers of Jews transported to Auschwitz produced a lower estimate of around 1 million. ”

“ I thought, well, whatever the Nazis are doing to the Jews, they were not killing them on a conveyor belt system in gas chambers in Auschwitz, against which has to be said that I’ve read the manuscript memoirs of two commandants of Auschwitz.. [Höss...and Almeyer (sic) ] ...and they both refer to people being gassed in Auschwitz, and this is a methodological problem for a historian then. You have to look at that and say: well, there’s no trace of cyanide in the building, but you’ve got these confessions by these Germans. How do you explain that? That is where you enter a grey area ”

“ But he made clear that those figures included those who died otherwise than by being gassed, for example in epidemics. Deaths outside the gas chambers accounted for about 100,000 deaths, leaving 800,000 to 900,000 murders by gassing. Longerich made clear that he regarded all the deaths as genocidal since the conditions in the camp were deliberately prepared by the Nazis.
8.24 It is the contention both van Pelt and Evans on behalf of the Defendants that Irving has consistently under-estimated the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust and more particularly at Auschwitz. ”

“ Dresden - 13 February 1990 (no tape or transcript, but see Irving’ s speech at 10th IHR Conference as reported in JHR)
‘..the holocaust of Germans in Dresden really happened. That of the Jews in the gas chambers of Auschwitz is an invention. ”