“ Detainee: There was no al Qaida in relation to my business. The business I was doing was for the people of Bermal. When their relatives send the money, when they come to pick the money up, we usually check their I.D. We ask them their names, their house and what village they live, what area to make sure the information match with the person who is sending the money. All the time, we keep a record of that. How much money they are sending, usually five thousand, ten thousand Afghanis is our local currency. ”

“ A. The person in the area, the village, asked the relatives to send money to them. That relative, living overseas go to a store of the same business, either one of their own people give it to them that money to send to this business man, or person, and then they call us, the business people because we don't usually do business with them. ”

“ You are allowed; you can go freely on either side of the border. As you probably know that even between both countries there is no passport for the people, because they are living on each side, and they usually go everyday. The government of Pakistan doesn't ask for any passport.
3.a.3. The detainee has been involved with a money transfer process between Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates.
Detainee: It was by business and this is the business that people do in our area. They send money to our homes, through the people there that are running the business. ”

“ Detainee: I went to Miram Shah in Pakistan. I buy this Kalashnikov for my personal safety because there is no government in that area, and so you have to protect yourself because it's a tribal area. The Americans also gave us permission to at least carry one Kalashnikov in that area, every person is allowed to carry one Kalashnikov.
3. a. 2. The detainee traveled between Afghanistan and Pakistan using routes that did not require a passport.
Detainee: The area we are living, the border of Pakistan you don't need any passport to travel on each side, they don't ask for your passport. ”

“ When the people of those areas sending money to their relatives, their businesses are so small so they get the money through us, through United Arab Emirates the people send it to us, and those people, those people from those offices, they come to us, and we give them the money and we get small share of that also because they are so small, they can't get money direct from the U.A.E. so they have to go through us, those are the two people also were giving money, but those were for the local people, the people living in their area. ”

“ A. There are four brothers, and I'm the youngest one. I'm helping them with the same business, so we all share together. In the country, we are all living together, so there not he's younger, and he's younger, there's a share, we all work together. We did not divide the business how much share each one got; it's a family business. We are working together.
Tribunal President's questions. Q. You said that your family lived in Pakistan. When did they, or you return to Afghanistan?
A. Our family was living in Bermal Afghanistan but my uncle has that store, or that business for the past 30 years. ”

“ Maybe there's somebody that told them like, our people in our area they said there's a lot of poor people there so, if you tell someone, give some money, like a hundred dollars they will lie to you, and find you someone who is making money or running a business because they said okay, if I don't have anything why does he have money. ”

“ A. It depends on the people, how much money they are asking their relatives to send to them. So, usually, in a month, sometimes, two million Pakistani rupees, or currency, that the people are sending to their families, different families, sometimes, it's a little less than that. Depends on how they are asking the relatives to send to the family.
Q. You named Gulzar from the Orgune; do you think he might be Taliban or al Qaida? ”

“ A. Now, this was for personal safety, the AK-47 and I have a shotgun, which one of my uncles get it, and a hand gun. I also have a BB gun for hunting. Kids are now using to hunt birds, which are all the weapons.
Q. Were guns not for sale in Afghanistan? Why did you go to Pakistan to buy a gun?
A. No, they are not allowed to sell weapons in the bazaar. There were no weapons in that area. I had to go to Miram Shah to buy it.
Q. Do you have a passport?
A. No. I don't' have a passport.
Q. Other than Afghanistan and Pakistan, have you been to any other countries? ”

“ A. He has his own Hawala business in the Saroobi area. Both of them are getting, receiving money through us because we have a business in Berrnal and then also in Miram Shah Pakistan. So, the money get to Miram Shah Pakistan and then they go pick it up at Miram Shah and bring it to Bermal. Then the other people come and get their money. ”

“ Q, How old are you?
A. 30 or 31 now.
Q. Have you had any formal military training?
A. No, I don'thave any military training.
Q. Other than the AK-47 for personal protection, do you own any other weapons? ”

“ A. Yes, it's a family business, and we still have that business, store, in Miram Shah.
Q. You said you ran your store during the Taliban reign, did they notbother you, and did they license your store? Did you have to pay them taxes? How did that work?
A. The Taliban did not do anything in our area. They did not tax any people.
Q. What is the nearest biggest city? Kandahar or Kabul to Bermal?
A. In the area, the border area, it is Pakistan and in the area, there is a new bazaar they call it new Argil (ph) . It's a new bazaar, in Bermal area. ”