“ Because, after all, in two world wars we have come into a state of war and we have sent our troops oversees as a result of incidents which took place a long way from our shore in Europe, so whatever takes place in Europe is of consequence to us. We believe in very firmly that you cannot deal with segments of the world except in terms of seeing with the whole problem globally. ”

“ Now, Percy, I've heard it said in this country that Britain exercises a veto over the actions of the United States, and in turn India exercises a veto over the actions of Great Britain. Now how accurate would you say that theory is?
Spender
Well, if may use Mr. Carpenter's phrase, that's a slogan which is bandied about a bit too, you know. It's quite clear that no nation if it wants to pursue a course of conduct which is irrespective of what other nations think is limited by any veto. ”

“ After all, Stalin said a long time ago, that if that could be accomplished, the belief of the Soviets was, the communist world would be invincible. so any attempt by Russia or by the communists to attract Japan into its orbit, is one which causes concern, not only to us, but to all the free world, whose purpose ought to be to do whatever it can to enable Japan to develop and be maintained as a democratic country.
Lesueur
Well, Sir Percy, does Australia fear most the spread of communism, or is it afraid of a revivified aggression by Japan? ”

“ After all, it is quite clear that this country, with its greater economic and military strength, will carry the major portion of maintaining peace in that part of the world. But you will not find our own country lacking in its desire to work at all times in carrying out to the full the obligations we've entered into. ”

“ I've never for my part been able to understand by what justification under the charter or otherwise, you can hand over either by this or that means, one and a half million people who are different people all together without asking them what they think. We don't hand over people these days, I hope, to anyone. ”

“ One knows very well it's always applied where the weakness is. My feeling is, and it has been for some time past, that trouble will always occur in that part of the world, if any further trouble does occur. ”

“ As at all times we have been weary of accepting the proposition that the roots of democracy have gone down deep into the Japanese way of life. It's a very proper observation to make that we see the immediate problem in the foreseeable future as that of communist aggression. ”

“ Well, Sir Percy, a lot of people over in this country think, correctly or incorrectly, that the United States is again holding the bag, if I may say so, on the Southeast Asian defense alliance and that we are committed to fight in defense of certain countries, but they are not committed to fight unless they find that the action is in their self interest. ”

“ We must make a start somewhere, we know that other countries have different views to our own, we understand the reasons why they differ. But it was Australia's view that we should go ahead and we did go ahead. ”

“ Our distinguished guest for the evening is Sir Percy Spender, Ambassador from Australia to the United States.
Larry Lesueur
It's always a pleasure to welcome back an old friend. Well, our guest tonight is not only an old friend of the Chronoscope program, he's a tried and true friend of our country. Whenever we're in trouble, diplomatically speaking, we can always count on our friend from Australia to pitch in when the going gets rough. So, Percy, I'd like to ask you something about the recent conference in Manila. ”

“ We say, in the first place, it isn't a matter which is one which ought to be brought into the United Nations at all, And, secondly, that when the issue is examined there isn't the slightest merit in the claim of Indonesia that they're making. These people of West New Guinea are quite different people all together. ”

“ Behind the United Nations this struggle for power goes on. Primarily because of the aggressive policy of Soviet Russia and communist China. and that change in the balance of power is primarily due to the successes the communists have had particularly in Indochina, and to their psychological successes, for example in preventing, well, by bringing about indirect the collapse of ABC and by the progress which they have made in atomic and hydrogen weapons. ”