United States District Court for the District of Connecticut

“ The first time was about cults, the second speech was on psychopaths, and the third speech was on how to deal with threatening and menacing people in the office.
Q. Now have you made a distinction between the word-"cults" and the word "psychotherapy cults" or "therapy cults"?
A. Yes.
Q. Well, I know you have said previously that there are many different kinds of cults, but would you say that a psychotherapy cult is not a cult? ”

“ Only a Cult Awareness or Citizens Freedom Foundation meeting where we both were on the same program.
Q.
Do you know if transcriptions were made of any of the lectures or speeches you gave at the Cult Awareness Network or Citizens Freedom Foundation?
A.
I don't know. Q.
Did you ever tell anybody you did?
A.
No sir.
Q.
Deprograming involves kidnapping, does it not? ”