John Chilcot

“ The decision to use force – a very serious decision for any government to take – provoked profound controversy in relation to Iraq and became even more controversial when it was subsequently found that Iraq’s programmes to develop and produce chemical, biological and nuclear weapons had been dismantled. It continues to shape debates on national security policy and the circumstances in which to intervene. ”

“ All I needed to do a trial was a template that would transclude from pagespace. The non-transcluded CE pages have a header that is really pretty basic ({{header2}}) . The "multiple authors" thing is probably unhelpful, and there is no field for a Wikipedia link. Previous and next are done in relative style. To encourage work on linking to WP, and getting the contributors added (with author pages set up) , an intermediate dedicated header would be useful. But it is a substantial upgrade in terms of scale. ”

“ In Mr Blair’s view, the decision to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the US was an essential demonstration of solidarity with the UK’s principal ally as well as being in the UK’s long‐term national interests. ”

“ Apologies for late response ... what is Latin for "real life interrupts"? Now i am probably being thick, with the statement about deleting pages, is that meaning that the non-transcluded pages that are not proofread? I would feel that they simply could just disappear, we shouldn't be linking to them except through transclusion to main ns:. The purpose of my transclusion checker was so we could identify which were not being used, especially when needing to move, move/delete. A bot to update main ns pages with the modified page numbers should be pretty easy. ”

“ Fundamentally, we must decide the goals of this Wikisource project. In my opinion, the (initial) goal is a faithful transcription of the original 63-volume DNB: this means that we make no corrections whatsoever. If a reader wants accurate modern information, the reader should go to the Wikipedia article. We have a general disclaimer to this effect. I do not think we need to explicitly identify each error in the original. After we complete the transcription of DNB00 (where "we" is mostly Charles) we should consider how to incorporate the 1901 addendum, the 1904 errata, and the later editions. ”

“ High profile, eh? No doubt for all the wrong reasons. I was thinking just now is that the obvious move is to spin the DNB out of the MEA project, into one in its own right. At present all the serious discussion goes on in the WikiProject here; what is clearly required is a "sister" project, like twin cities. I think this is the right idea, but I'll cogitate some more, and wonder who needs consulting. According to Wikisource:WikiProject DNB/Statistics there are only just over 10% of DNB articles here completely accounted for (linked across to an existing Wikipedia article) . ”

“ Part of the issue is that the link is not solely an internal link to the work. We use DNB lkpl on Author/Contributor pages to provide a link to compact list of contributions, and we can utilise it to provide links from other works to the referred articles, eg. an obit. I look at links based on the name of the work, however it relies on corresponding naming of the work in both main and page ns and just got a little awkward. Doing a generic template is easy, however, it is such a simple template it became an issue about was it worth it only for a standard practice. ”

“ Led by Mr Blair, the UK Government chose to support military action.
23. Mr Blair asked Parliament to endorse a decision to invade and occupy a sovereign nation, without the support of a Security Council resolution explicitly authorising the use of force. ”

“ Lancelot Ridley Thank you for your help guiding my proof reading of volume 48.djvu/291 then creating Ridley, Lancelot. I am keen to continue the process to create the wikipedia version of the page. In this case, Lancelot Ridley was rector of Stretham and father of Mark Ridley, born in Stretham. Therefore, from my viewpoint at least, he is notable. Actually, even if he is not, it is a good exercise for me to do. ”

“ But the project is only really running by the few people who informally translate the odd article. To successfully transfer what appears to be on the higher side of 5 million missing articles from other wikipedias which may be notable is not going to happen without active numbers. Its literally an impossible task without automation and high numbers of workers. Wikipedia has massive potential but in my view the coordination in important parts of the project is very poor where it matters. ”

“ I see a hiccup, but I know a little about solving pataphysical problems. I thought of a few ways the numbering in a paragraph can continue across pages, or columns when we get to that, each more intricate than the last. We can also get a bot to search for numbering in paragraphs, then implement the wikicode and templates automatically. I haven't gone into the testing phase yet, but we will need a couple of templates: 'DNB numbering style override - begin' and 'DNB numbering style override - end'. ”

“ For longer articles: the template is the same, except filled in with the page range (from and to, naturally) . The markup is like this: the section begin and end need to appear (both of them) on the first and the last pages. So for Felton, John (fl.1430) (DNB00) what you have already done will work out fine. Caveat: there is another John Felton, following. You will get away with your section marking in this case, because the first article ends at the end of a page. Obviously enough, if you have the same section name twice on a page, the transclusion will be imperfect. ”

“ It makes sense in terms of the Oxford English Dictionary, where "feff" redirects to "feoff", and a "feoffor" is "one who makes a feoffment to another". I don't see a problem with the rendering; but some sort of annotation might be an idea. ”

“ For the Errata volume we haven't decided: it would be possible to transclude these both to a page of their own and the DNB00 article. For "diff" versions, some of which User:Eclecticology has posted, I think we should move them to their own suffix, and use {{similar}} to keep track. In quite a number of cases I have met, the DNB article in its original state has bad errors (for example misidentification) , and the only sensible thing is to rely on the Wikipedia article to sort out the modern view. ”

“ I have a few aspects of medieval naming on my conscience, where I'm not sure that there is a consistent rule, and some titles of nobility that are not the English, Scottish or Irish peerages are treated ad hoc. ”

“ Perhaps we can create a template that adds an html line break and two spaces when in article space, but which adds nothing in page space. Note that hard numbering is actually preferable to the "#" syntax. The "#" syntax is intended to permit later renumbering, but in our case the text will never be renumbered. -Arch dude (talk) 02:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC) DNB Thanks for the tip, I will check for spaces in future and I'll check out the project page. I stumbled upon the DNB and i'm fairly new to this so any feedback is welcome. ”

“ So is it just the bio pages that are going to utilise the CE13 header, or is it all parts. (no brain cells used there yet) . — billinghurst sDrewth 02:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC) I don't know what the right approach approach is yet. For information, those volume listings in which that header is used are disreputable: they do not follow the published volumes. The "previous" and "next" as posted are somewhat arbitrary artefacts of the mode of bot posting, and have some articles displaced right out of the order. ”

“ Charles Matthews (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC) Yeah the problem is that its the same small group of people who end up doing all of the grunt work. As useful a project is for coordination unless there are at least 5 people actively ploughing through them and planning out/setting targets I wouldn't bother. I set up a project about a year ago on the Intertranswiki to try to get some coordinated approach at translating articles from other wikipedias and finding reliable sources to back up the transferred text . ”

“ Giving us the best of both worlds, changing one in isolation is probably going to be problematic. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I've added a category to the new redirect, and tweaked the page at the new title to conform, so I hope that is OK now. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC) List 7 Wikipedia: OK, section 52 is done except there is an outstanding one needing expansion rather than creation and I need the four bios remaining in the section which you missed. I've dabbed section 1 of the 7 page too. ”

“ Thanks for the link. That's a great tool. I think I can be more more productive this way. Dabbing and just seeing the missing article pages scares me! I know it has to be done sometime to ensure we have everything but it needs more than one or two people working on them to fully sort them out. OK I'll make a start on the No WP category. I'll let you know when a batch is done so they can be removed from the category.80.3.26.54 12:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
No need. If you fill in the "wikipedia =" field in the article header, the article automatically drops out. ”

“ So let me get this straight, the section marking is only used for transclusion. Therefore, I can afford to (one way or another) make the section marking unique. I have not looked at it, but sya if there were two Felton, John's on a page then I could section mark one of them Felton, John (a) and the other Felton John (b) ? Or is there a preferred method? --Senra (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC) Yes, you can choose your own section markings. I always use the article title (no thought involved, and when I paste down a long list of templates it's easier anyway) . ”

“ So the convention is "surname, other names (b. d.) profession (DNB00) "? --Senra (talk) 18:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC) Naming conventions - ooof. Well, yes, I moved Felton, Henry to Felton, Henry (DNB00) since that is standard (name alone isn't enough, given that Wikisource hosts all sorts of works) . DNB00 means the first edition, DNB01 is the 1901 supplement, DNB12 the 1912 supplement. The disambiguation convention here is different from Wikipedia's, in that dates are used as dab form, with all other things essentially nowhere (the dab by profession may occur just once in the 27,000 articles) . ”

“ Charles Matthews (talk) 06:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC) Was pausing on Thompson Cooper to ensure we view it from the same perspective, as outlined in my reply found on Author talk:Thompson Cooper. It is my understanding that you are comfortable with the use of subpages for DNB author listings in excess of 1000. If I have correctly interpreted your intentions, I’ll proceed on those "long" author pages and adjust the "main headings" to illustrate the preferred path. To avoid confusion, this guidance should be in place prior to placing the thread you mentioned on the central discussion page. ”

“ I had read the template documentation and must have missed the fact that you only need last and first. Anyway, thank you for finding the patience to fix my work. --Senra (talk) 11:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC) http://venn.csi.cam.ac.uk/, the Venn database, is certainly worth knowing about. It is a web version of the reference work of John Venn, on Cambridge graduates. That is 100,000 or so people: since Oxford graduates were often "incorporated" at Cambridge (this is common before 1800) , and so included, this sweeps up a big chunk of English university graduates. ”

“ I've mentioned a possible new sub project for DNB to Boleyn who is showing signs she may return. The funny think is BrownHaired Girl has been creating equally short stubs but she sources them well. If Boleyn did the same, maybe the length would not be an issue, it certainly isn't with me.Dr. Blofeld (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Commons (in terms of single bit-mapped scans) is beginning to seem a bit limited. There is the issue of replacing jpg with SVG graphics, too. Things tend not to happen instantly. As for the WP situation and Boleyn, just keep it steady. ”

“ I will create the new pages required for the disambiguation, as well as the Edward Smith (1819–1874) page. Birth & death years seem to be the preferred method of identification, rather than the words like (physician) etc. - I am aware of some additional discrepancies in the PSM author list. I marked them on my browser to be dealt with, and thus not visible to others. It will take me at least a few days to straighten everything out. — Ineuw talk 20:39, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Existing WP articles I layered some code on top of Magnus' tool, so I am knocking out a fair few DNB No WP's. ”

“ Crockford's on-line no subscription Are there any other sources which might help me? For example, is there an equivalent alumni database for Oxford? --Senra (talk) 11:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Index:Alumni Oxoniensis (1715-1886) volume 4.djvu and there are links to the other vols, though we haven't worked on it yet. There are also earlier vols, some are hosted at British History Online. even utilise The Times if you have a specific lookup, I have access to some older Crockfords All that said, have you looked at what civil and parish records are available? NA ”

“ If it's an experiment shouldn't it be deleted? --kathleen wright5 (talk) 21:35, 16 March 2011 (UTC) You're right of course. But I don't know whether the project has really discussed it. The "worst case" is Author:Thompson Cooper, which has over 1400 DNB names on one page. I kind of assumed that this was going to cause comment. But there has been no feedback about putting them all on one page. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC) Volume 20 Replaced file and updated links on navigation page. Did not intend to introduce confusion by sending the file. ”

“ How does one get back to the page without having to look for it in a voluminous "watchlist"? Daytrivia (talk) 13:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
nevermind, I see the links in template used area. Sorry. Daytrivia (talk) 13:16, 7 August 2010 (UTC) Ichabod Charles Wright Hi I started the article here. Given that his son is also called Charles Ichabod Wright I wondering when you have a moment if you could check both articles. Which one was the colonel? I'm sure I saw somewhere in a google search he has a DNB entry, the MP's father anyway.Dr. ”

“ Cheers Ww2censor (talk) 22:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Implemented and have added notes about how to do at Talk:A Compendium of Irish Biography. Only one table of authorities in use, eg. A Compendium of Irish Biography/Aengus Culdee and I have only added Addendum when there are the two parts to combine, not when it all appears in the addendum. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC) Did some transferral For the sake of (in) sanity, I have transferred the bios written by Bullen and Thompson to their subpages (which I have expanded the name) and set into the tables. ”