“ THE WITNESS: It has been my experience in working with General Hartmann that he is involved at a level of detail that no other general or flag officer that I've ever worked for or with has ever been involved at.
Q. General Hartmann was directed by the convening authority not to perform any duties as a legal advisor while a complaint that Colonel Morris Davis had filed was being investigated. That complaint and the investigation has come to be known as the Tate investigation after Brigadier General Clyde Tate. Are you generally familiar with that? ”

“ COLONEL MORRIS: There sure is, yes. If Colonel Henley had meant what the defense meant here, he would have put it in writing, and he didn't do so. The fact that he released the testimony doesn't mean he indulged any wider questioning. ”

“ Aside from being removed from those meetings as you described, did you ever see General Hartmann act in a way that was inconsistent with the role of a Staff Judge Advocate or legal advisor?
COLONEL MORRIS: Objection. Basis for knowledge.
LTC. FOSS: Can you rephrase the question, counsel?
MAJOR FRAKT: Well, I asked him if he had personally observed. Well, he has established the foundation that he has been a legal advisor, Staff Judge Advocate several times, including general court martial convening authority, SJA, so I think he has familiarity with the roles and responsibilities of that. ”

“ MR. FRAKT: Madam Deposition Officer, it's the defense position that although the order is fairly specific, that Colonel Henley did intend for to us have more latitude in questioning this witness. And in support of that belief, yesterday we had requested that Colonel Henley authorize the release of Brigadier General Hartmann's testimony so that we could prepare questions based on that testimony. ”

“ Q. And were not most of the matters of disagreement or discussion between the two of you issues having to do with how to make that happen as opposed to whether it should happen?
A. That's a fair statement. Yes.
Q. And to look at --just to take one of those several as an illustration, to look at the issue of defense counsel access, isn't it accurate to say that General Hartmann was pushing to maximize defense counsel access to the facilities and to their clients, not to reduce it?
A. That's fair. Yes. That's a fair and accurate statement. Absolutely. ”

“ A. No.
Q. In addition to these video teleconferences, are you aware of any face-to-face meetings with General Hartmann and senior leaders regarding the military commissions? regarding the military commissions?
A. I have knowledge of two meetings that occurred. At least two.
Q. What do you recall about those?
A. In that November meeting, I --that I discussed, we were led to believe that General Hartmann was going to come down and brief me as the SJA and a couple of other appropriate staffers there on JTF Guantanamo, as well as General Crawford, who was the acting commander at the time. ”

“ He is a general officer and I respect that rank deeply. And I worked out a way with my client to --to overcome that and continue to move forward in a way that I thought was professional and was constructive and helped the process move forward. ”

“ Q. And we'll again --we'll establish her testimony on her own. But did you give direction to Lieutenant Delaparra to tell me to be prepared for your testimony for the defense if General Hartmann testified in a manner that concerned you or that you found objectionable?
A. No. I did not direct her to do that.
Q. You didn't tell her to give any warning to the prosecution that you were a potential defense witness in this case then?
A. Colonel Morris, what do you mean by I was a potential defense witness. I believe I sent you an email, didn't I, that day? email, didn't I, that day? ”

“ A. He prepared that product. Yes.
Q.Did General Hartmann ever seem to be assuming the role of chief prosecutor to you?
A. I don't know that --I don't know what the particular role of the chief prosecutor is. I'm not in that office. General Hartmann clearly gave the impression that he was the one that ran and runs commissions, yes. ”

“ A. The issues that we dealt with --I'll go down the five issues that became most contentious. One was joint meetings for the, for defense counsel, defense military commissions counsel and habeas counsel. That's one. ”