“ On Hesp's point about 'edition' display only when there is need to disambiguate the work in question from another: I'm inclined to think that info should be the part of the metadata make-up that is always displayed regardless; even when no such other disabig-triggering work exists (forget about if en.WS happens to also host such a work if it did exist) . Maybe I'm overstating the importance of exacting publisher, location, &/or year inclusion because that, along with title and author, is what I consider an edition to be comprised of -- maybe my definition of edition is contrary to others. ”

“ To be clear, I'm of like mind & principle when it comes to providing template parameters for any and all agreed upon bits of information and the retention of such input by the template but feel -- at the minimum -- "mobile" display of such information in those instances where citation/attribution/etc. are unavoidably lengthy becomes problematic. ”

“ I am just trying not to care which is NOT my way in real life. I am the opposite of not caring about people and their needs. Too, I apply the real me to Wikisource itself. I have felt it is a "brotherhood" type of thing or as another person wrote in Scriptorium, "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours". My thoughts are everyone working together. It's not difficult to spot works that need validating. Every time a persons places a book in "New Works", just look at what is there and go assist if reasonable -- or if someone assists another then that person should assist in return. ”

“ Start with someone who has a modicum of influence over you—a boss, a teacher, a principal, a 'crat, a checkuser. Now manufacture an image of them as all-powerful. Exaggerate the extent of their power to harm you. Convince yourself that their power has no limits, checks or balances. ”

“ I think people usually choose their mode of giving. Within that mode, they are generous; outside it, they appear selfish. In real life, I give hundreds of hours of time every year to a certain charity organisation, but I resent charity door-knockers and never give them a cent, no matter how worthy the cause. ”

“ New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:
• Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence. ”

“ Sadly, some people make this the basis of their self-esteem, and are thus constantly manufacturing grounds to 'speak truth to power', so as to reassure themselves of their own value. It's really very sad. ”

“ Part of the balance for me is to recognise no obligations. Wikisource is a hobby, not a chore. I contribute what I want, when I want, and I don't do anything I don't want to do. As such, I expect no-one to undertake chores on my behalf. ”

“ All you need is a point to disagree on. Anything will do. Something will come up soon enough, and if it doesn't you can easily force the matter by being rude. Once you have a disagreement, however minor, use aggressive rhetoric to spin it up into a bigger and more heated dispute. ”

“ That 40% total of reserved space always happens even without the presence of prev. or next entries and the reason why I believe "navigation" needs to become separate from "info" in essence by residing below that 'info cell' on its own "row" . -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:36, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
If we could gather the metadata, or some of the lesser metadata, for a work into a collapsible section in the mobile view, and label it as such that might be a possibility. ”

“ I have not explored how to format/handle the mobile output differently from the desktop.— billinghurst sDrewth 01:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC) Frankly, I see no other way to manage every possible combination of all the parameters applied per any given work without some sort of collapsing navBox type of layout for at least mobile view's headers -- there is already a notable "space" between page top and content start in mobile view without our most basic header placed in between that gap - never mind a "bloated" one. ”

“ But here on Wikisource we have to rely upon others to assist if just validating. I have never liked having to have anyone to assist me in work in real life or here. Still, it exists and thus my frustration after years of work here. ”

“ Your bot Hi there, I've been patiently waiting for your bot to upload some raw page scans (especially those in these volumes: Portland, Oregon: Its History and Builders) . It's not urgent, and I still have many pages yet to tag with the {{raw image}} template. But I did just look, and see that it's been a very long time since the bot was last active. Is there a problem? Is it possible for me to trigger the bot directly? -Pete (talk) 22:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Pete, Sorry, real life is insane for me at the moment; I'm in a perfect storm of urgent demands on my time. ”

“ Hesperian 10:56, 14 December 2014 (UTC) Some dimestore psychology for y'all If you have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, even into the teeth of a power differential, you should be proud of that. Not everyone has the guts to 'speak truth to power'. ”

“ I don't have as many pages to validate as you do and I can work on v.2 and v.3 for you. Or will people with projects never have works that are validated? Several people finish works and lack only validations. For me it seems some works will never be completed if we have to have validations or the validation rule has to change. ”

“ Running the bot is not an onerous task, but even quick and easy tasks are hard to fit in right now. I think I can find time to run it on Sunday if not before then. Cheers, Hesperian 00:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC) OK! Please don't put yourself out. If you get to it any time in the next few weeks it will make me smile and free up some work I'd like to do illustrating Wikipedia...but if not, it's no biggie! Good luck unstorming. -Pete (talk) 01:07, 12 February 2015 (UTC) Bot is running. Because it hasn't run for so long, it has a lot to do behind the scenes before any uploads can happen. ”

“ Either power is exercised against you, or it is not. Either way, your self-image gets a boost. You've either rendered true the myth that you were speaking truth into the teeth of a genuine threat, and thus proven your extraordinary courage; or you've taken a power-abuser down a peg or two, and lived to fight another day.
Hesperian 13:22, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Disambig? Before I go tromping, seeking a second opinion on The Aborigines of Victoria. I would have just called it a work, and linked the volumes rather than created a disambiguation. Your thoughts? ”

“ It's hard to write a script to find pages proofread by you that are awaiting validation. It's much easier to find pages that are proofread, awaiting validation, last edited by you. This is of course mostly the same thing. You have 2054 such pages.
I started working my way through the list, but soon found myself validating pages in a "File to fix" index. Not very helpful. ”

“ Julius von Sachs, History of Botany, trans. Henry E. F. Garnsey, rev. Isaac Bayley Balfour (Oxford: at the Clarendon Press, 1890) . then our header layout might be
I see what Billinghurst is saying about long titles not flowing well through to mobile form, but I don't see that as grounds for omitting information that is critical to attribution and/or disambiguation. By all means collapse extraneous metadata, but I think we have always to display full attribution, plus anything that disambiguates the edition. ”

“ We only use parameters to provide display hints such as advising that the edition disambiguates and therefore should be displayed.
{{header |disambiguator=edition }} Step four Metadata provided by Wikidata, and Wikidata required to figure out when disambiguation is required? Header parameters exist only to override or tweak wikidata decisions, and are rarely used. ”

“ I have also left WMM a note about the gadget for viewing per work which pages on a work they can move from proofread to validated. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Future header redesign Hi again,
I've become enamored with your approach to header info that places title, pub. location, publisher & year and then the author all on their own separate lines (ex. ) as a baseline for the long needed redesign of the mainspace header. I've already opened a discussion about the possible addition/removal/relocation of input parameters (including Publisher, etc.) for the template. ”

“ They come for the work, the metadata is reference/identifying data, not the content. They will have the expectation that the display will be better, and are less interested in the technology, methodology, ... and are more interested in the result. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:07, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
My thinking is
Step one The location, publisher, etc, are provided to the header for metadata purposes but not automatically displayed. What is displayed and what is not may be device-dependent or otherwise context-dependent. ”

“ Hesperian 00:31, 8 July 2015 (UTC) thanks, that makes sense. I'm realizing that I've been pretty inconsistent about "source" links on my uploads...I'll have to review that some time! -Pete (talk) 17:02, 11 July 2015 (UTC) raw image Ok, I understand now. I will fix when not on mobile device. (I can move files on commons.) Pete (talk) 08:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
It's okay, I fixed it. I was just dealing with some images that had been uploaded over the top of mine at Wikisource, still described by the original {{raw page scan}} template, yet used as restored images. ”

“ Hesperian 01:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC) Sorry, I missed your reply. It's OK now, TY. Ineuw (talk) 16:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC) My fault you missed it. I had the flood flag on, so my reply wouldn't have come up on your watchlist unless you were viewing bot edits. You won't see this reply for the same reason! Oh well, one more day of flooding and I'm done for a while. Hesperian 03:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Won't be missed with a ping...this message brought to you by your friendly neighborhood talk page stalker. -Pete (talk) 03:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC) use of space again
Hesperian, I am adding e.g. ”