“ I brought with me tonight something that Burke said in 1777, the positions of our countries has been reversed since then, but this is what he did say talking to what were then the American colonies, "As long is it our happiness to be joined with you in the bonds of fraternal charity and freedom, with an open and flowing commerce between us, one principle of amity and friendship prevailing, we are likely to be at least as powerful as any nation or combination of nations which, in the course of human events, may be formed against us." ”

“ Hartley, what do you actually do about communism in countries where you're actively engaged in combat, in, like, Malaya, for instance?
Shawcross
Yes, I think, if I may say so, that's a very useful question because it illustrates that our approach in Britain is entirely empirical, it depends on the circumstances. In Malaya, our measures are totally different. We've made the Communist Party illegal, and anyone who belongs to it commits a criminal offense and can be dealt with as a criminal, and is dealt with, if he is caught and is tried. ”

“ Well, only in this sense, that we have, of course, taken steps, we think quite effective steps, to keep communists or for that matter fascists out of any positions in which they might acquire knowledge of, for instance, atomic weapons or secret matters of policy which would be of utility to an enemy, such as the communist might be.
Cronkite
Do you feel, Sir Hartley, that the search for communists in the United States, whether it is good or bad for the United States, has hurt United States' prestige overseas? ”

“ We've complied with all the requirements of the United Nations Additional Measures Committee about not supplying strategic goods and, in fact, we've gone a good deal further and we feel that on balance the advantage is greater to us than it is the communist group. ”

“ And there's no doubt that because of these and other very drastic measures that we've taken in Malaya the situation now is very much better, but I'd like to add that in England there is no doubt at all as far as one can judge that communism is on the decline. At the last election, the total votes polled in the whole country for the Communists was about 20,000, well, I got about that figure in my own majority, in my own constituency, and there's 650 constituencies in Britain. ”

“ Not so much because I think the retaliative measures of the kind Foster Dulles contemplated may not be a deterrent against aggression, but because I think the presence of British and American troops in these danger areas of the world has done a tremendous amount to give confidence to the local population, like saying to the citizens here, for instance, we're going to withdraw all your policemen, but if you're murdered we'll take care to see that your murderer is executed. ”

“ And we have assumed that there are a certain number of posts, something on the order of fifteen thousand out of a million or over posts in our civil service, which are sensitive and involve security risks, and in regard to them the police and the intelligence service make the most careful inquiries about the people who are occupying them or who are appointed to them. ”