“ Wikisource as a reference top-icon I've been working with the new wikiproject Wikisource:WikiProject References to Wikisource started by Prosody, and I am proposing adding top icon in a similar vein as the featured icon. I think that having our work used as references reflect the growing trust of the site; even though we are a wiki which is by definition editable by anyone, what we host is reliable and in some cases preferred over any other of the many virtual libraries. ”

“ I don't argue that we have to go case-by-case, as I've seen at en.wp, books published from something like "Books LLC" actually being a purchasable book consisting of Wikipedia articles. But let's face it, no one "uses" en.ws to drive book sales; we just don't have high enough traffic. Potentially could happen in the future is different than is happening.
The placement of such a template being either in the top-right corner or in the notes field, I have no preference. I suggested note placement as an option actually, but it seemed to be preferred up top by some other contributors. ”

“ I don't think the technological restrictions of brick and mortar libraries should bind us: just because they can't link doesn't mean that we shouldn't link. Links can provide significant value to readers, but we should be extremely cautious to ensure that the word being linked and the target of the link are in fact the same thing.Thus in principle I support linking to portals and author pages in the main namespace. ”

“ The qualityX classes are added (as far as I can tell, but I haven't taken apart the ProofreadPage extension to find the exact code yet) on the server side. Currently qualityX means coloured, and the CSS above modifies this to mean not coloured except where you want them (or at least an approximation: index, pages, status bar, on hover if desirable) . If you disable Javascript, you still see the colours, so it is not a client-side script that is doing it. Tags using are parsed by the MW software, not by the browser (hence changed behaviour at a MW upgrade) . ”

“ It is now pretty much a licence for the published work, which is usually akin to what is at the root level. IIRC this was discussed as one of the advantages of the placement of works within a hierarchical representation of a publication, ie. where a poem is a subpage of a larger work, the publication covers it.This also pretty much applies for adding similar components such as year parameter, wikipedia parameter, portal parameter and category. If adding it to the top level is appropriate and there is no difference at the subpage, then no need to add further ”

“ I think that's how they get their icons to sit along the title bar. If not for this icon, then for {{featured}}, which appears to me as overlapping with the header (which is awkward if the next field is being used) . I looked at that sometime back and it only happens under dynamic layouts - which is part of the issue with using a 3rd div wrapper to hold header & content rather just content. Stuff like this (as well headers on pages using dynamic layouts, apparently) should go in the div container that holds things like the colored progress bar or the base page "back" link on sub-pages. ”

“ If your TOC isn't showing colors along the right, its because of the template (s) being used either on the Page: itself or for the single transclusion to the Index: page are breaking the behaviour. Only the embeded pagenum spans created in transclusion do not have their parent Page:'s status color, so I think you've got it backwards. As Candalua mentioned, the quality class is getting pulled from the HTML a href "link" line after the creates them. ”

“ But they are more powerful because they connect to speech files. Perhaps WikiSource source itself should work more towards creating files like Librovox does. I feel sure we have people here that are also good readers. It would be a matter of how to create files similar to Librovox and having volunteers read text -- or on a lesser idea to use computer-read files to generate the speech files and then add in the coded works. ”

“ AdamBMorgan has created a template to standardize works listed in Wikisource:References to Wikisource; which is linked per work by the discussion page template Template: Referenced, which can be linked from the workspace by, IMO, an unobtrusive icon in the top right corner. I would like to move this template into the mainspace, but would like some support; please see, for an example: Human Immortality: Two Supposed Objections to the Doctrine. ”

“ When concerning wikilinking of authors, etc. mentioned in transcribed pieces, if a link is both available at Wikipedia as well as here at WS, which link should we err on the side of? Should we use discretion based on the amount of pertinent info. to be gained from the choices? ”

“ Apparently this is what it takes to bring in people who are weary of so much text on Internet and prefer audible books. —William Maury Morris II Talk 18:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC) I don't see that it's within our scope to promote unknown authors over known authors. Nor do I see any reason that Wikisource should move into Librivox's territory; they create audio files from public domain material just fine, with more manpower then I believe we have, and certainly more experience and training in the fine details of audio production from consumer level equipment. ”

“ This problem might actually be a benefit, because if link hacks no longer work, we can fix them all and remove the convoluted detection-and-workaround code from the header template, which will greatly simplify it, as well as enforcing the "no wikilinks in the normal author field" idea, which has not so far been obvious, as a link hack was coerced into working through dirty tricks in the template, rather than good practice by editors. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 02:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC) It's very simple and works very fine in the Norwegian and Swedish Wikisource. ”

“ If you don't want to show pagequality, you just need to set in your Common.css something like this: .ns-0 .quality0, .ns-0 .quality1, .ns-0 .quality2, .ns-0 .quality3, .ns-0 .quality4 { background-color: transparent; } Candalua (talk) 11:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. Classes do not equal colouring, they just permit it to be set when you want. You can unset it wherever you like. For example, you could hide in mainspace, have on hover in userspace, show in page/index space, flash on and off in template space and spin around in Portal space, but only when in a certain place. ”

“ Proofread and Validate the work to ensure that it is at its best. Because it has been cited, Protect work for something like auto-confirmed only. Someone who reads book decides to check reference Finds a stable, validated and protected work. In filling this process, we are proud that we are cited and adding a little cement into our perceived legitimacy, and we want to showcase this work -> Icon ”

“ Font size for PSM image descriptions is 85%. This was always the standard font size, but the new {{fs85}} template reduces the line height from 1.5em to 1.1em and it significantly improves the appearance of multi-line descriptions. Font size for blocks of text (apart from image descriptions) , in the ranges between 83% to 93% are to be standardized to 90% by replacing old templates with {{fs90}}, which reduces the line height from 1.5em to 1.2em. Exceptions are poems which vary between 100%, 90% or 85%. ”

“ I think that the combination of coded text with the sound is what attracts people. Some just get tired of reading but with sound they may miss a word but with the combination of Librivox and text they can step back and catch whatever they missed. ”

“ I've wondered about this myself and I go for the Wikisource link first. I think it's best to stay internal to one project as much as possible with wikilinking. The author page should have a link to Wikipedia anyway, so if the reader wants WP they can get to it quite easily. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC) Link local. If there is no author page, then we should create red links, and create the author pages after. If there is no link, then "... one day". For full relevance, we do have the wikipedia = parameter that works in the {{header}} template. ”

“ I agree. This is something I should have built in the extension's code :-) ThomasV (talk) 12:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC) Add Top icon snippet to common CSS & Javascript I would like to propose adding MediaWiki: Snippets: Top Icons to the common CSS and Javascript. This code will allow for top icons that appear inline with the title (as at Wikipedia) rather than at the top of the page just under the title (as is currently the case here) . The current situation means that the top icons often overlap with the header template and obscure the next link where it is present. ”

“ If the initial page load takes too long, just load a smaller image initially and get the larger image during zoom. How hard can that be? --LA2 18:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
For the bulk of our works, we simply do NOT need full images with great resolution. On the occasions where we do, it is a simple matter of adding that field when creating the work, otherwise it is a simple matter of editing the Index file to make the changes for currently existing. For the works that you had, running a bot and setting them all to 3000px would have been a simple task —unsigned comment by billinghurst (talk) . ”

“ The purpose of the namespace is definitely policy, and the top-level classification schema could be counted too. I'm unsure the explicit "there are five levels" belongs in policy, as that could easily stretch over time for large portals. ”

“ The reference would be the scans of the Chronological Table, which I was trying to transcribe. Exmaple image: - - With the addition of some kind of 'annotation' to indicate what 'short titles' had been assigned, that was format I was trying to reproduce in wiki-markup, and flailing. That is what the short Version of an entry should look like, a 'long' entry which was intended for use on the various portals, included addtional columns for the 'long' title, 'short' title and additional notes. ”

“ When we have completed the PotM, we either drop into Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/little works or Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/validation works depending on how many days we have left, the choice available, discussion on the project, etc. All of these works have scans against which to validate, and anyone is welcome to add works to either list according to the in situ guidance. ”

“ We give up our own immortality sooner than believe that all the hosts of Hottentots and Australians that have been, and shall ever be, should share it with us in secula seculorum." —unsigned comment by Cygnis insignis (talk) . I didn't claim to be using the principal of linking portals correct altogether, although after creating the link, I visited the portal for the first time. Even in blue-linking works to Portal:New York, of which I probably know a fair amount of, I am not building it strictly for me. Maybe that link to NY might be useful for someone from Johannesburg ”

“ I meet and talk with too many people that know nothing about WikiSource. Most have heard of WikiPedia (WP) but not WikiSource. I am writing about educated people that have been through a university. So, while I applaud the task of all of these known authors it also causes me to think about the need to make others known as well as how to promote WS itself. Kind Regards, —William Maury Morris II Talk 14:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC) The first three on your list are powerful in their own right as plain text and more so as codes are used in better formatting. ”

“ Page: transclusion checker MZMcBride (talk • contribs) has generously given us some time and built a tool that enables us to enter an Index: page, and to have it output lists of Page: namespace pages that are that are transcluded or not. ”

“ That sounds like a good idea. On a related note, the bug that was introduced with the new MediaWiki version, with the edit toolbar not being visible (in Google Chrome at least) unless My preferences --> Editing --> "Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript) " is unchecked (ie, turned off) , is still present. Chrome's market share is 12–17%, so that represents confusion and crucial missing functionality (including header/footer display) for a sizable percentage of new visitors. ”

“ Regarding exploitation, over at en.wp, a site that sees more traffic in an instant then we probably do all month, they use an identical template to {{referenced}}, so it would appear as if there was a viable fear of exploiting a site as a form of advertisement, en.wp might have experienced it first and would have already addressed it. ”

“ We don't need to make space above the header, it has a notes field; a linked phrase, perhaps with an icon, can be added to that. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 08:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC) We are first and foremost a wiki—a site assembling an assumedly rag-tag amateurs with no authority on anything; even something trivial like formatting. Our work does not get published, and there is no liability on our parts for producing factual information. The very fact that we get referenced in a published work is impressive. An author takes a rish in doing so ”

“ Candalua (talk) 10:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC) First, the entire pupose of the Page: and Index: namespaces is to perform Proofreading away from the mainspace & prior to any transclusion. The argument, in a nutshell & moving forward, has always been not have users landing in mainspace welcomed by sub-standard works nor tie up the mainspace with dozens and dozens of edits in hopes of reaching the quality on par with something that could of been uploaded and proofread page by page. ”