“ From my time doing family history the government record offices have been able to put restrictions on the documents with regard to image reproductions for publication as they are all on special paper, eg. HMSO used to own copyright of the accompanying images, and security measures. The information is just information, it is not theirs to restrict, it is usually provided by other than the registry office, and it is not of literary merit. Information is not copyrightable and is be PD-ineligible when it is a single piece. ”

“ If not, then copyright can't be claimed by the Handbook. If it is different, then it possibly is copyright. Hymn books are generally collections of works by many authors and the publishers have to get permission from each copyright holder. The only part of a hymn book that is copyright to its publisher is the special material such as forewords and any commentary written especially for the book. This means that if a hymn is out of copyright from its original publication, it can't be re-copyrighted simply by inclusion in a more modern collection. ”

“ So, prior to that, many works became Crown Copyright. I expect the same would be true for Pakistan and government works, as it kept the same wording in its law. India still has it too, in section 2. Section 52 is only about rights you have for works still under government copyright; it has no relevance for works where the government copyright has expired. I am assuming the copyright of this expired 50 years after it was published, not that Pakistani government works are inherently free. ”

“ Section 52 of the Indian Copyright law does give some rights to still-under-copyright government works, yes. However the definition of "government work" in the current Indian Copyright Law is in section 2, which is similar to the wording in the older law. For any of those works, copyright now lasts 60 years from publication per section 28 (India extended from 50 to 60 in the 1990s; Pakistan did not.) The 1914 Indian copyright law was basically an application of the UK Copyright Act 1911 to India, with only minor changes. ”

“ Tabling in parliament / publishing in The Gazette, does not change its copyright status. It does make it a 'public record', which isnt the same as public domain in regards to copyright. Copyright exists from the moment ink hits the paper, if it was creative as is definitely the case here. ”

“ Okay, I found that we have some commentary of the law prior to 1911 and the proposal after 1911 at Page:The copyright act, 1911, annotated.djvu/20 (not proofread) . If we work on the premise that unpublished works are copyright forever, that means ANY unpublished work/letter/... where the writer or their heir does not give right, then there are many records of history that are going to disappear from our pages and other places. We need to be reasonable and practical in our presentation of records and historical works where the author is long deceased. ”

“ If we assume that Hamilton lived in the UK, then the question arises, what was the status of that work in 1934? It appears that both UK law and common law in the United States would have protected the unpublished work until publication by Northern Ireland as a public record at some date. US protection would have ended on 1 January 2003 if the work was as yet still unpublished. I think it is most likely that the unannotated work was published between 1934 and 2003 and was thus subject to copyright protection in the UK. When did/will that copyright protection expire?--Doug. ”

“ United States Copyright Office (October 2013) . "Copyright in Derivative Works and Compilations". Also see the Commons page which has a good summary of why the original text is now public domain.
Of note, the 70 year after death rule would apply for Britain, which means the copyright on the original works expired in 2011. I do not know about renewals on these works for Britain, but I'm referring to US copyright overall in this post. It seems that we're blocking ourselves from working on some great texts. ”

“ I don't think, in the U.S., that transcriptions would get a separate copyright though. The status would solely depend on the copyright of the original text. It sounds like it was by John Caldwell (1769 - 1850) who was born in Ireland but emigrated (actually exiled) to the U.S. around 1800 or so, and lived in the U.S. after that. For the U.S. then... it would depend on the date of publication. How did Langford obtain the documents? If that was by permission of the original heirs, that may have been publication right then. Langford was also American ”

“ The UK's perpetual copyright on unpublished works was eliminated with the 1988 Act, though given 50 years of protection from 1989 (i.e. until 2040) if not published by that point. Not every type of work had a term based on publication -- I think paintings were based on year of death only, and photographs were based on year of creation -- but I think literary works did. Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC) If you remove the annotations your left with a 2 page document that has a copyright that's owned by the CROWN or Crown Copyright - same difference. ”

“ And the Commons policy often does not help people in countries other than the U.S. and the country of origin, provided that country does not use the rule of the shorter term. Each project will set the rules more based on its target audience, in general. ”

“ A free license is not releasing something from copyright. The copyright still exists -- in fact, that is the only way to enforce the terms of the license. So, the fact that copyright is still claimed is quite natural and expected. Carl Lindberg (talk) 07:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC) @Lbeaumont: I found this on Commons today—. They do email confirmations with the copyright holder to confirm that it's OK to publish the work on Commons and Wikisource. They can directly contact Richard D. Jarrard, Dept. of Geology and Geophysics, University of Utah, via email. ”

“ First of all, I did not nominate this article for copyright problems or for "troubles with [the author] " -in this case User:Diego Grez-Cañete who posted without login as 191.112.35.152-, I nominated it because of self promotion and lack or notability. You can say that source "is a claim of notability", but it seems to me that is a dubious claim, because this is only a two-page work in a 167-pages book. Second, the article is not a original work in the copyright sense, as the original peer-review source was a collection of articles in Spanish. ”

“ Sweat of the brow is not copyrightable. Copyright is an intellectual property right, and that right belongs with the writer (exemptions apply) . The IP address complained in general about his work, and that is the transcription with annotations, anything else is a presumption. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:39, 31 January 2016 (UTC) Of course if the IP, is amenable to Open Acesss (CC-BY-SA) , with proper academic attributions, they can contact the OTRS queue with an official version. I doubt they would be favourable to that though, given concerns about tue original works status. ”

“ The duration of the copyright term has automatically been prolonged to last for a total of 95 years. No further renewal registration is necessary.
Thanks for the info, everyone! The Haz talk 00:49, 9 February 2014 (UTC) Um, but URAA does restore the copyright to non-US works which weren't renewed, even if they were registered for copyright in the US. This does at least happen if the US registration was more than 30 days after publication in the UK. I'm not sure what happens if the US registration predates that, though, as some parts of US law consider registration to count as "publication". ”

“ File:Science.Tr1.pdf has a license saying "This work is not an object of copyright in Egypt because it is an official document. Regardless of their source or target language, all official documents are ineligible for protection in Egypt, including laws, regulations, resolutions and decisions, international conventions, court decisions, award of arbitrators and decisions of administrative committees having judicial competence. ”

“ This work, does not meet the inclusion criteria. Jakec and Ankry were essentially correct when they questioned the appropriateness of hosting this work on Wikisource. The two "Official" problems I mention above are the technically correct challenges to the work, other then the copyright issue. If you look hard enough you may think you can find a way around these challenges but speaking from experience in working with the community for years, this work is not likely to be hosted on any wikimediafoundation site in your lifetime. ”

“ Wikisource copyright policy follows US law and thus any works published before 1923 can be hosted on WS. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC) It would be a lot simpler if Wikisource adopted the Commons policy to be honest. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:36, 30 January 2016 (UTC) I personally find checking for "published before 1923" much simpler than having to research publication history, author biography, and foreign copyright policy for every work. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC) Simpler for users in the US maybe, not for those of us in (Life+70) regions. ”

“ The community has tended to embrace "Excerpts" of popular works that have recieved multiple publications when a copy of the work as a stand alone is not available, but I think they is usually at least an attempt to set up the entire work as an index, even if only one part of the work is validated at the time it is brought onto Wikisource. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 11:09, 13 May 2014 (UTC) Delete OTRS is still in 'received' status, for two years? ”

“ While a this can be addressed, the second issue is problematic. 2 Per Wikisource:WWI#Works_created_after_1922: it does not meet inclusion. As it is only published in a school publication it fails Original contributions and as it is only one part of that school publication it fails Excerpts. Jakec had challenged it as not significant or notable, which is not an inclusion criteria at Wikisource, and pointed out the copyright issue. ”

“ We have gotten confirmation from the UK and Canada I think that they consider Crown Copyright expiration to apply worldwide, but I don't think we have gotten any explicit confirmation from Pakistan. Carl Lindberg (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2015 (UTC) @Clindberg: The author was a government minister no doubt, but does a resignation qualify as government work or is it purely personal? After all, people resign from the government, not on behalf of it. ”

“ If true, the publication would have been on the official website (presumably, but not necessarily, located in Iran) . The 30-day re-publication provision would be the main issue. From googling the send sentence, it looks like CNN published on their website the next day (also, the Wikisource page in question was within the 30-day time frame, albeit slightly later on the 15th February) . NB: I've amended the template to include this point. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC) Neither CNN nor Wikisource would count as publications, as they were done without consent of the author. ”

“ It isn't used much. I only found out when I noticed Ali Khamenei already has an author page and another work on the project. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC) It seems that the text was first distributed on Twitter (see w:To the Youth in Europe and North America) . Distribution on Twitter is either not publication at all, publication in the United States (where Twitter is hosted) or publication in all countries where Twitter is hosted. In either case, {{PD-Iran}} is not applicable. ”

“ I don't see any point in walking the edge of copyright here for a work we already have in multiple other formats.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC) Delete The verses are identical with The Army and Navy Hymnal/Hymns/Through the Night of Doubt and Sorrow, however it also has a chorus/refrain I guess, which is missing from The Army and Navy Hymnal. However that can be found in Page:The University Hymn Book.djvu/307. I see no reason to keep one hymn from The Handbook to the Lutheran Hymnal, without scans, and with (Renewal: R473011) covering the broader work. ”

“ Yes, it is copyright. No, the copyright is not “waived”. The material is licensed using a licence that allows Wikisource to include it here. – Kaihsu (talk) 18:44, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
yes, thank you - crown copyright, has a work around with open license. the right license tempate is at the bottom of the work. it is not PD as in the US. please do not say that User:Beleg Tâl it will get us in trouble. see also it is also fair dealing rather than fair use. welcome to international copyright madness. ”