“ There is only one state defined by the proofreading extension and it currently covers 2 types of pages: those with no (original) text and those that, for whatever reason, are not considered necessary to be proofread. We could ask the maintainers to separate the two, but I think we can all see that that pagelist provides an adequate means of doing this. Can you adjust your listings to take this into account without marking that adverts as to be not proofread, Hesperion? That seems possible but difficult to do reliably. ”

“ Can't we disregard the single page status and, if any of such pages are present, categorize instead the Index with a Category such as "Index containing unproofread advert" or something like this? Placing a Category on each and every page is not reliable, but putting such requirement on index page when stepping index to "To be validated" and "Done" should not be difficult to be remembered. ”

“ I know you are doing a lot of work although apparently you are very fast with it. IF I knew how to do what you are doing I would not mind doing that aspect of the work. I think the process you are doing should be included on the WS:HELP page so that you would not always have to do this particular work. I am going to check on Amazon.com to see if they have a book on this. I am retired and have nobody "at work" to show me the many ways to work with .PDF Files and I have never seen nor read a book on .PDF files. You are more valuable as an administrator helping people. ”

“ You worked out an easy solution but we did discuss the fact that you could not send the cleaned images to me for the book to be placed into a .PDF File created with my Adobe Acrobat program. Had you and I been using dropbox at that point we could have easily sent the image files to me to be placed in a .PDF file. The statement of "Use your imagination" by me to Lars was not intended to offend anyone. He is a smart person and I really did think he would be able to use that "dropbox" program in more ways than I could think of on Wikisourse and aside from Wikisource. ”

“ People are simply objecting to falsely labelling the advertisements as "without text". If you don't want to proof the advertisements, by all means promote the index, but leave the advertisements as "not proofread", in case someone else wants to proof them later. ”

“ Isn't the tag the key to distinguishing the Index files with real issues from those with gaps due to pages that we're choosing not to create because we won't be transcluding them into the Mainspace? The time of creating an Index is the time to make sure that no pages are missing. ”

“ Common examples are advertisements, many of which are entirely divorced from the subject matter of the book, book covers, and even library information pages about the book. Most of these have text and it's clearly not helpful to be over-literal about the tag "without text", which can even be interpreted to cover pages which have only pictures (which are important) .
Help:Page Status confirms this interpretation when it says: "Without text is for blank pages, or other pages that do not require double proofreading". ”

“ There are paid developers for Mediawiki, there are not developers who are paid to work on some our favorite extensions. Extensions that are not used by many other installations of Mediawiki. One big piece of news from Wikimania, which Charles mentions below, is that for the first time ever there is paid developer who responsible for ProofreadPage extension. Now this is still not his primary responsibility and "ProofPage" extension does not mean "anything wanted at Wikisource". ”

“ I was cleaning the upload to IA anyway and have removed both watermarks and timestamps already (uploaded over previous @ en.WS) . The problem now is that the pages need to be cropped down to remove the excess whitespace per page. This, through no fault of anybody except the Trust themselves, means the current hidden text-layer stored in the upper right half of the left margin will need to be cut (hover your mouse pointer over it to see it change to a cursor) . I've tapped my Adobe guy to see if there is any way to save it without whacking it just to recreate again. More when it develops. ”

“ Hesperion has proposed the use of the Category:Not transcluded as an alternative way of marking pages but that has several problems: it's not part of the core proofreading tool, it doesn't show up when the page is viewed (e.g. this page) , and it's notoriously hard to get people to make category entries. ”

“ In addition, I don't see any good reason to stop people transcluding some of these pages if they really want to. Adverts can be fascinating and book covers can be works of art, but more often they are neither.
Therefore I suggest we should stick to the use of "without text" to signify any pages that are not necessary for the completion of the proofreading process. The entry in the index page can be used to clarify this, by marking pages as "advert" or "adv". ”

“ Clearing the header box (of the index-specified default) Clearing the edit box (of any spurious OCR) Clearing the footer box (of the index-specified default) Clicking the "without text" radio box Clicking "Save" That seems like an awful lot of work just to save an empty page — and I've been doing that a lot lately — so I wrote a script to turn the "without text" radio box into a one-click button that does all of the above. If you want it, add the following to your .js page:
addOnloadHook (function () { qualityContainer = document.getElementById ('wpQuality-container') ”

“ If you don't want more Randoms then I suggest this is more useful for the newcomer than Special:Random/Index. Chris55 (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC) I like the two Random links, but I'm not sure "Portals" (in and of itself) is as intuitive a title as we believe it to be. "Subjects" or "Topics" would convey the meaning a bit better to the average reader, I think, though at any rate I do think we should have a link to it on the sidebar (and I think a direct link to the Portals page is better than a random portal link) . ”

“ I see this much the same way Beeswaxcandle does. "Without text" should be for blank pages and blank pages only as found to be or recognized as part of the original content. Hand written notes, university or library markings, Google disclaimers and similar that were obviously added after "printing" took place should be the only exceptions to that & Adverts don't fall into that category imho. All too much attention is being paid lately to ancillary name-spaces and what takes place under them for that matter. ”

“ I think it would be neat if we could meet somewhere besides "left up to the workers;" which has left with the sensation on walking on eggshells. Not a rule, but I think we will benefit from a general guideline. ”

“ Thanks for the link, however this doesn't point to a solution, or a way to bring the issues to the attention of the developers to act upon. I find it ridiculous that new software updates are released every two weeks without attending to the problems introduced in previous releases. There are 129 bugs are supposed to be addressed in this version, none of which relate to the toolbar bug introduced in version 1.18. ”

“ From other things I have picked up, the idea seems to be that all staff developers have each taken responsibilty for an extension that is not being developed by staff to the end that they will be responsible for seeing that the volunteer development is reviewed and that they should aim to spend 20% of their time working with the volunteer developers more closely. ”

“ Too, sometimes I enjoy proofreading ads and I have one now that is not validated. Some ads get overly fancy with art that can only be duplicated using uploaded images. Kind regards to all, Maury ( William Maury Morris II (talk) 03:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC) ( tl;dr it all) In short we modified the completion statements on an Index page to allow for works to be marked as completed, when the primary component of the work had been proofread and validated. The blank/problem/not/proof/valid set applies on a per page basis (the individual pages are categorised) and that should remain so. ”

“ All of that is not an issue if you have Adobe 10 or higher but it is extremely time consuming to do even with just the 'Digitized by Google' watermarks alone.I'd be willing to do the cleaning & prep it for text layer/DjVu conversion after all the pages are compiled into a single PDF if it matters any (I'm struggling with bandwidth v. time as it is) . ”

“ Also worth watching Special:Version so you can see which variety of the core change is in place. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:23, 10 August 2012 (UTC) Yes, if you have a bug related to Mediawiki and his extensions open a bug on bugzilla. The big problem is that there is no paid developer that works on Wikisource related extensions (specially ProofreadPage and DoubleWiki) . Beau and I work a few on it but we haven't a lot of time and we are too tired of our "real work" to spend a lot of time on things that doesn't enjoy us. ”

“ As it stands your statement "Advertisements are not required to be done to complete a work" stands in contradiction to Hesperion's statement: "those of us who regard these pages as ... therefore legitimately blocking their indices from promotion". Not all of us have been around forever or can find these statements. Chris55 (talk) 18:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC) see, "when is an index "done"?" which may help somewhat, and shame on you for being new. ”

“ Thanks. The weird thing is, I'm pretty sure the Index: and Page: namespaces did exist in the past, because I wouldn't have created indices and Page-namespace pages without them. I don't understand a lot about software, but I know enough not to use pseudo-namespaces. Angr 16:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC) Upload file Although I can now see the same link as others in the left menu which leads to commons:Special:Upload, I personally find the link on commons which leads to commons:Special:UploadWizard far more useful as I'm usually uploading multiple rather similar files. ”

“ This was discussed in the above post previously, and a Bug report was already filed on July 6th, 2012. Just thought that this should be mentioned in this new post. Toolbar macros no longer function in headers and footers. This feature was lost and then corrected twice before in previous versions. In User:Inductiveload/Custom toolbar buttons.js, the mw.toolbar.insertButton functions don't work in my scheme of things, but mw.toolbar.addButton does, as in User:Ineuw/vector.js. Again, I will gladly create the bug reports but at this point, I don't know which of these qualify for one. ”

“ A clearer reply would help others (like myself) , who may like to take advantage of the service in the context of Wikisource. — Ineuw talk 20:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC) I think he was only trying to provide a useful resource for handling large files, say, if I have scanned something but need help with file conversion, ordering pages, etc., and someone can help me, that we can use that service instead of IA to send it to each other when a mailbox limit has been reached. ”

“ Your Index: and Page: namespace are not defined. cy compared to en. A bugzilla will need to be submitted to get the namespace created, and the pages updated for those creations. We did that for nlWS recently, see their request and resolution at bugzilla:37482 Bugzilla:39264, though you will need to chase it. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC) Thanks. I wonder why it used to work. What do you mean by "you will need to chase it"? ”

“ They play their own make-believe "get out of jail free" card. C'est la vie. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Billinghurst, do you want that book (The Coming Colony) from the above link connects to or not? If you do I will download the pages for you and place them in a .PDF File. Each page is in .pdf format and as George pointed out this will take a while but within 2 days or less I believe I can get it. I haven't tried this slow process so perhaps faster. What I get will show "Google" on the bottom of the pages. ”

“ Since there is clear support I have filed a bug to enable. I am sure we have more bugs tweak it for WS related tasks once we test it out. This feature is being developed as a live deployment since it does not supersede anything. So it might be good to get on the list to figure out our issues while there is still team assigned to this. bug 38512--BirgitteSB 01:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC) Hey all ”