“ Agreed: they need to be handled differently. If I recall correctly, we originally decided to not include them at all, except as inline data in the TOC. However, I now believe that we need them as separate tiny little articles, just as in the example, merely as a matter of consistency, and also to enable us to write a an automated "coverage" tool for pagespace. I propose that we add a "redirect" parameter to template:DNB00. This would take the page out of that category and the "no author" category. ”

“ On the bright side, once there is a Wikipedia link on an article, that will be in "natural order", and therefore should be picked up by search engines, so the business isn't hopeless. It is reasonable to ask how articles will actually be found, and the answer is like "they should be created with at least four incoming wikilinks anyway, and in many cases with a link from Wikipedia ”

“ My view is this: let's not include any redirect pages in the volume ToCs. Let's not include them in the "previous" or "next" fields, either; what is helpful is to go directly to the previous or next full biography. Where they can fit in is as linked from the wikified Volume Index pages. In other words, in creating hyperlinks from the Index pages at the ends of each volume, there is the scope to create a wikilink to a short page for these various types of redirects. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC) Blind DNB links Have been introduced to our first blind DNB link. ”

“ That is the snag with the intersecting approach: expert knowledge does not reside in the category system. Bad for zoology (say) . For WS we should be able to fix that by saying "a portal on MPs from a given period would be fine: we don't need to import enWP's category system, but we'll develop another way." This is now where I'd like to head. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC) Master lists My ideas on these are now set out on a project page: Wikisource:WikiProject DNB/Master lists. ”

“ There it is probably easiest to create a {{maintenance category}}, do we use Category:DNB blind linked page, and slap it onto Category:DNB? If the addition is any more than simple I think that we should template whatever we have there so we can more easily update the words. Should we create a page as a pilot? billinghurst sDrewth 12:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC) Shouldn't we both keep it simple, and avoid any mission creep within Wikisource? I propose that we simply have one page (a subpage of this project) to which such blind links (and this may be the only one) would direct. ”

“ For the WP end of this project, though, we want to get on top of matching articles to ids as well as to biographies here (it seems that Dsp13 has already done plenty in this direction) . We are getting into a triangular situation, then, and this is likely to be reinforced by development of w:Template:ODNBweb. What is the right way to go? Charles Matthews (talk) 15:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Personal opinion is to include ODNB = xxxxx as a parameter in the DNB00 header at this point in time. It will do nothing, but it will break nothing. ”

“ There are some points about the results you'd get (disambiguation is not guaranteed but with a list showing the duplicates can be elucidated by finding which authors link to a name, and also ASCII order isn't exactly right for the DNB ordering by dates) ; but work by hand on rough lists would be quite reasonable to handle these matters. Technically the author pages should all carry {{DNB contributor}} and related templates, and the relevant list would be enclosed in {{DNB lkpl}} or {{DNB link}}. ”

“ I haven't traditionally listed the Wikipedia = field on the page, though don't see that it matters particularly either way While I don't wikilink to these referring/pointer pages ("redirect" has too many local connotations) from our ToC pages, when we changed to transclusion, I ended up doing them and have them in the general prev/next run. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Having a think, we might be able to do something with the contributor = field. ”

“ I would agree about the redirects, though feel that it would be best framed with a discussion about disambiguation, including within a whole of site context. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC) It's quite a big area, considering that "redirect" also describes the DNB fragments that send you to articles from variant names. The Manual needs some beefing up to deal with all the hypertext issues we are gradually getting to, with volume ToC format, Author page format also now on the agenda as we get a bit more complete. ”

“ If the same text appears at wikipedia, which it will, it can be corrected there with another ref to the errata volume. Dig this: there will, eventually, be very few reasons for a reader to use the DNB text here. The timescale is 'when someone gets around to it'. cygnis insignis 21:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC) This DNB article, Brand, Henry Bouverie William, addresses previous concerns by preserving the original. The note alerts the reader’s attention to the appendage, and there are currently no links. Would like to add the text below to this template to aid the first time viewer. ”

“ Charles Matthews (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC) I think that we are better to have the strategic solution, and look to have a bot fix primarily, and then a second semi-auto run through on the non-obvious targets. ”

“ Since there are <30K articles, we (i.e., Charles) are more than one-third done with the most fundamental part of the project. -Arch dude (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC) ADude, there are some other great performers in that space; so while CM is just like a master machine, we have some great apprentice machines, JamAKiska, there too who need us to dip our lids to them. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC) It's a coming of age, certainly: no cake, but a new project page at Wikisource:WikiProject DNB/FAQ on the way. ”

“ For example have {{DNB lkpl}} rather than {{DNB00 lkpl}} Alternatively if people do not like that idea, I would prefer to create an underlying template that picks up the options. I would favour more/specific templates where there is value in having the templates, eg. how many works utilise DNB01...? What value can people see in having specific templates, what extra information do we want or what do we want to know about things that are specifically about the individual volumes? ”

“ A hybrid approach that includes hover keys as well as a detailed example, available via link or transclusion, would go a long way to help editors work their way through this problem successfully. JamAKiska (talk) 14:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC) I have amended the template and you will see that it now has the key embedded after the page break label. It just seemed easier. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:09, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
⁠The template seems to be working well in 5 volumes. The offset of 10 is good through volume 28, thereafter it tapers to 4 in the Supplementals. ”

“ For other letters, leave the tool to itself and it will run through DNB biographies not yet matched with WP articles for that letter. As Magnus comments, slow but thorough. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I have added it to the Category page for each letter. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Seems to be remarkably useful. Also somewhat touchy, though, as the toolserver can be. Smith names are so common it can take a long time on one. It should work better once the backlogs on common letters are cut down. ”

“ Will continue with errata installs. 17 & 22 will be the next group. JamAKiska (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC) Supplementary list in prefatory - linking At Page:Dictionary of National Biography. Sup. Vol I (1901) .djvu/14 and the following page there is a list of people who died int he first six months of 1901, and were indicated as going to have biographies added. Do we link the list of names? If so, do we link to future articles, or to other places within WS, eg. author pages? ”