“ But there's no reason to replace emdashes with hyphens if the initial editor made the choice to use emdashes. The value is there only on the index page is that page is not transcluded, and serves no real function except in the margin as a page number for transcluded pages (and which can then be linked to with a hashtag) . There can be a reason to go the other way: to expand hyphens into emdashes, if there is content on that page, because a hyphen is small and harder to click on; but otherwise, it's purely up to the initial proofreader. ”
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“ It seems to me on Wikisource there is a strong preference for suppressing redirects. But redirects can be incredibly useful, often in cases where we can't know what external or even offline links exist. In this case, What Katy Did Next/I. has existed for a dozen years. There's no way to know who may have linked directly to that chapter. It seems very useful to keep a redirect; and if there is a downside, I don't know what it is. Why would we want to suppress? Chris -- hope you don't mind me butting in on your talk page. ”
“ I do think computers are very complex pieces of technology but I also agree they do a very simple thing (i.e. follow rules) . My comment about consistency was not to do with Wikidata, it was to do with whether the output the template produces (in terms of both content and format) is consistent with the general approach adopted on many author pages where 'manual' linking has been used (based on my own experience, pretty much all author pages use manual linking for everything other than major reference works, such as DNB or EB1911) . ”
“ Hi there, In response to your question, I would say my main problem with the templates, and why I edited the page, is that the output they produce is inconsistent with what appear to be the general rules for formatting author pages (i.e. Title of work in italics, date in brackets, and if work is a part of a larger, such as a poem in a collection of poems, work title in normal font and enclosed in quotation marks.) ”
“ Index pages Best practice for Index pages: When the value is not a code such as "roman", or a numeric value for a page number, but instead is non-numeric text to be displayed in place of the usual number, then the value ought to be enclosed in quotes. Some character values will still work if the quotes are omitted, but best practice is to use the quotes for any text, including "Adv", "-", or such.The size of dash for blank pages, images, and the like is purely an aesthetic choice on the part of the initial proofreader. ”
“ The Love of Books: the Philobiblon of Richard de Bury I have moved the subpages of this work under the title of the root page, and I have add the table of contents. It is just confusing to readers to start in one title and end up somewhere else with no clarity of reason. Also to generate digital versions of the first and subpages, we need to have the ToC so that the tool knows that the pages below it, and their links. ”
“ I realize that it is only useful at the proofing and even then, only when the toc is on the index page, but it is useful there and then.I read or had it explained to me that it was too complicated. Since then, I try to figure out a way for it to work in the Main. Shifting the numbers and then the process gets broken at the chapter part.... It is an unfixable problem in the world that doesn't depress me to think about! ”
“ Age of Innocence It isn't necessary to list the contents on the Index page. The Index namespace is a working namespace, and not the product presented to readers. However, it is necessary to include the {{transcluded}} template to indicate when a work has been fully transcluded. Removing it requires someone to perform a task again that has already been completed once. ”
“ Also, you just subst: it, so you made a not templated version of what the template was doing. As far as coding goes, I am pretty simple; resisting the urge to stray beyond the basic calls, not completely "getting" some of the terse code acrobatics that can be employed by the less simple. This person, however, has manually changed links for on thing on several wikis (the biology based subjects span the languages, so 20 link changes is not unthinkable) . This human would rather change it just once ”
“ In particular, I've been more concerned with standardising the chapter headings than the fine details of formatting them, because then I can bot-adjust them in one go or change the formatting with CSS. When you jump in and start changing them (regardless of whether one or the other is the "right" way) you kinda throw a wrench into that plan. Please don't take this as indicating I'm not grateful for the help. I very very much am! It's just a gentle nudge to avoid needlessly stepping on one another's toes too much. ”
“ Links to missing images Hi Chris,Regarding this edit. Is the page's current state (linking an image that doesn't exist) deliberate, or just a glitch while editing? And if it's deliberate, what's the reasoning behind it? --Xover (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC) Hello, I've fixed the missing file (and the Title link in the footnote) . The file link was based on the naming convention I adopted when I uploaded all the other images for vol 1 of this work, but for some reason I failed to upload this one. I was going to fix it when I did the images for volume 3 . . . . ”
“ One other mistake that you might be making is that you think that computers are complex. That is not true. Computers are the stupidest thing human beings have ever created. Enabled stupidity; they really need to be told each step no matter how insignificant this would seem to a functioning human brain. ”
“ I dislike the use of the long ess for a number of reasons but generally speaking I don't remove them where they have been used consistently throughout a work. In fact I generally won't do work validation work on texts where people have replicated them. In the case of this work, and a whole load of other National Library of Scotland chapbooks I've worked on recently, there was so much work still to do at the validation stage that I took the long esses out (a simple find and replace) to make the proofreading / correction work easier. ”
“ Paper was a major part of periodical expenses in those days—wood-pulp paper wasn’t yet in use. There is absolutely no requirement that the digital version of the texts has to be bound by the same restraints. To paraphrase something Billinghurst said, Wikisource is digitizing the words of the authors, not the typesetters’ peculiarities. Most of the stylistic choices in the style guide were made by me, with some input from Encylopetey ”
“ Portal namespace for non-authors Hi. If there is no extant evidence that a person wrote works, then it is preferable that people are created over in the Portal: namespace, and tagged with category:people in portal namespace. It is pretty easy to move them to Author: namespace at a later time, and update the template to be used if they are found to have published works. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:59, 24 September 2019 (UTC) Moving author pages, not converting to redirects Hi. Please do not convert long-existing pages into redirects. ”
“ Hi there. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with {{djvu page link}} but it seems to me that it doesn't achieve anything when used in a table of contents (ToC) . From a ToC the link needs to take you to the chapter content, not just to an individual page. Also, the links work on the page containing the ToC and on the Index page (if the ToC is shown there) , but when the page containing the ToC is transcluded, the links are suppressed. ”
“ Hard redirects are preferred at Wikisource unless they are in the form of a disambiguation page. The soft redirects recently got process-deleted by Xover, which they did along with several other pages in the now non-existent category Category:Soft redirects/March 2021. ”
“ We have the WEF Framework gadget installed here, and it is really useful for batch editing a work or an author here, and can be used for creating items. Makes my life a lot easier, especially as it presents a range of fields to edit and one can do it with the page of data in front of you. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC) Hi. I appreciate you taking the time to offer advice which makes life easier, but unfortunately I don't actually understand what you've told me. ”
“ Myself and other EB1911 editors prefer leaving the line-breaks in-place (that’s how they were originally scanned) because it makes manually proofing faster and it’s easier to see what changes have been made in an edit (as stated before) . Regards, DivermanAU (talk) 23:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC) I found a problem with the 'clean up OCR' tool you've been using, it converts curly quotes if they are literal “ ” to straight " " but not if html code e.g. (& ldquo;) is been used. This produces inconsistent results where the page has some curly and some straight quotes. ”
“ No, I've moved on to a chapter later in the book. Chrisguise (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC) Using px in widths Hi! Congratulations on yet another work done! Just a little quibble over something that inhibits export readiness and accessibility: when you use px as a unit for something that contains text content, you are making an implicit assumption that everyone will have the same font size as you (by default in most browsers, this is 16px) . ”
“ Per the Copyright policy, works should have a license template, and "it is the responsibility of the contributor to assert compatibility with Wikisource's license". This is the now the fourth time you've been asked to use them, would you please start doing it? BethNaught (talk) 23:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC) Dramatick Poets Hi. I have created template:Dramatick Poets link that should make it a little easier to create author page links. It also allows us to more easily identify the works that are or are not linked. ”
“ I pinched the contents listing from Early English Books online but it needs rationalising; theirs is from the first edition and some elements of that edition are not in the 3rd (e.g. the errata) .Chrisguise (talk) 07:51, 20 March 2020 (UTC) caution creating redirects where a wikidata item exists There was a wikidata item on Ode Upon Liberty history so converting that page to a redirect is problematic—WD items need to be direct and specific. It is not a subject matter that we have managed well as it has so many intricacies and variances. ”
“ So if Johnson's work is here from another source, we would convert the redirect to a {{versions}} page.Also, for a published work, we only require the copyright tag at the root level of the work. It is considered to apply to the whole work. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC) (ec) Oh, you split the work. In a case like this we have typically put them as subpages of the publication from whence they came. No different to our other curate compiled works. Again redirects are our friends here. ”
“ The prefaces are peppered with lengthy footnotes, which are generally manageable as I am familiar with the standard footnote method, for which I use and {{smallrefs}}, the footnote continued on one of more of the following pages , , and a footnote within a footnote where the nested footnote is on the same page, for which I use {{#tag:ref|TOP LEVEL REFERENCENESTED REFERENCE. TOP LEVEL REFERENCE|group="O"}}{{smallrefs|group="O"}}{{smallrefs|group="I"}}. ”
“ It's far better to just move the pages without redirects which preserved edit history and proofreading statuses. There are bots for this, so it only takes seconds to do. 09:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC) Inductiveload—talk/contribs 09:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC) Can I ask for your assistance with one of the Monthly Challenge works - Index:The future of Africa.djvu. I was going to do the transclusion but it became apparent that there are a number of pages missing from the work (including the ToC page) . ”
“ Simlarly, people use hyphens instead of endashes constantly, but that mistake is almost impossible to notice in most fonts. Typewriter quotes are also wrong, but nobody cares. They look like crap, though. Jarnsax (talk) 02:34, 25 June 2018 (UTC) And don't do this... {{block center|{{smaller block|"That sublimer inspiration given, }}}}
Which glows in Shakespeare's or in Milton's page,
The pomp and prodigality of Heaven.". ”
“ There is a useful script for converting quotes to curly at User:Samwilson/CurlyQuotes.js Levana Taylor (talk) 19:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC) Discussion about quote templates moved to User talk:Xover Levana Taylor (talk) 06:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC) Hello, sorry for causing disruption - I should have read the style guide. I came to this transcription through doing an update to an author page and testing some of the links - I tend to flit from one thing to another! My first point of call when starting a new page, especially if the OCR isn't great, is to run the 'Clean up OCR' tool ”
“ Note also to the deleter Xover, and CalendulaAsteraceae who also edited, that the redirects to the poems of Astrophel and Other Poems will eventually need to be recreated and disambiguated accordingly. PseudoSkull (talk) 16:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC) North and South (First Edition) This work will not download for readers because the chapters are not listed on the first page. Downloads only work if the contents are fully listed on the first page of the work. ”
“ We don't insert page quality information directly into the page; the system handles that for us automatically. Also, page headers (including the chapter title and page numbers) should be placed in the header window when editing, not in the page itself. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC) Footnotes Footnotes are formatted in this way: --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC) ligatures and hyphens Templates like {{oe}} exist so that people can enter them quickly from a keyboard. Usages of that template get replaced later with the actual symbol "œ". ”
“ External links Please see Author:James Hammond. Titles of works should not be external links; the purpose of Author pages is to list works hosted here on Wikisource, not to create a link farm. Where a good scan exists, a temporary {{ext scan link}} can be used after the listed to point to an external scan, but the main body of the listing should not consist of external scans. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:36, 19 April 2019 (UTC) Poetical Works of John Oldham Hi, thanks for the validations. for indents i prefer gap template to colon, as the wikicode can be inconsistent is some place. ”
“ ParadiseLost1674CopyB. I also created an index for the second copy Index:ParadiseLost1674CopyB.pdf Languageseeker (talk) 02:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC) Also, UMich has the complete text of the 1674 edition online with page numbers, so you can copy and paste the text prior to proofreading. . Should make things a bit easier. Languageseeker (talk) 03:06, 17 April 2021 (UTC) Hi, I notice that the text of a number of the double pages have started appearing. I'm about 60% of the way through splitting the file into single page scans, so if you could hold off for a while .... ”
“ There is no header template on this or any of the other chapters of the work. The header templates need to be added for this work to meet Wikisource standards. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Folio header block image missing Hi. Just in case it's an oversight (vs. work in progress or similar) , Page:Shakespeare - First Folio Faithfully Reproduced, Methuen, 1910.djvu/856 refers to File:Shakespeare - First Folio Faithfully Reproduced, Methuen, 1910 - header block type 3.jpg, which doesn't exist. No worries if you just haven't got around to it yet ”
“ I though the major point about this site, apart from making stuff available, is that it was a side by side transcription?Chrisguise (talk) 06:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC) Long s Hi, may I ask what is the problem with {{ls}}? This template enables long s to be displayed as "s" in the page ns and as "s" in the main ns. Current practice is to display it just as "s" in the main ns, but if the practice got changed in future, the template would enable to display the character in its original form. What is more, people can adjust their common.js to have the long s displayed in the main namespace too. ”
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