“ Linking from the first entry in a text is great, but a bot would not be able to know which names in an article are authors, and which are not. Furthermore, a bot would not be able to detect ambiguous author names. In working with the Dictionary of National Biography Billinghurst and I have already discussed several same name authors where even reliable sources have misattributed works. Hesperian makes a good point about leveraging, but achieving that leveraging requires a lot of vision and careful painstaking work. ”

“ I don't think it is a good idea to use the Author namespace in this way. There has been previous discussion of creating an "Index" namespace separate from "Wikisource". If we did go that route, this might best fit inside that sort of namspace. But putting such things in the Author namespace is a problem to me. Random Author should give you and author. The guidelines for the composition of pages in the Author namespace are designed around covering authors. Not just people. What about w:Seabiscuit or Traveller? Are they any less worthy of a list of works that mention them? ”

“ Hesperian 05:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC) I dont see any harm in having a catalogue entry for Joe or Sophie, and would rather on the side of being permissive. Author pages should be subject to a policy on their content, so that they cant contain random facts and so forth (i.e. I agree with this removal) . Also, the requirement that people are dead helps to prevent people cataloguing living non-notable people; and lack of interest helps prevent people cataloguing dead non-notable people. ”

“ So it becomes, do we offer/handle alternate names, whether by marriage, reference or whatever. If the community decides YES on the principle, then the detail goes into guidance on what and how. The How, this was an example of a redirect, adding a DEFAULTSORT (worked) and adding a category (worked, esp. with the change to Author-Sm) . To that aspect we can tweak an entry to get a second listing, and in the place where we want it. I presume that it is now for this community, or admins, to decide whether this is a suitable adaptation of a Redirect page in the Author: namespace. ”

“ In 400 years the accumulated writings about Shakespeare are far more extensive than the number of works that he wrote, and even a list of the commentary on a single one of his plays could fill a volume. ”

“ I think the US Code is too massive for us to maintain manually. One thing we should seriously consider is having a script crawl Cornell's site to copy and format the entire collection on Wikisource. Such a script, if well-written, could be adapted to do the same for other works on other sites. This should not be a terribly difficult project, but unfortunately I'm too busy to do it for the foreseeable future. ”

“ Wikisource isn't really the place to write an original work; you might want to consider Wikibooks instead. EVula // talk // 22:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Citation tool for WS for use in WP? Is there any capability for having a citation type tool built into the header of WS page? As we start to build pages, we are more readily able to use as sources over at Wikipedia. It would be really convenient if we could easily produce an accurate citation that could be copy and pasted over at WP that links back to the article. ”

“ Yes, and no doubt there are a great many famous illiterate people; point conceded. I believe I may have to retreat to some kind of "notability" policy ; e.g. only notable persons should have an author page; a person is notable if they have authored, or are the subject of, a published public domain work. Hesperian 11:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC) I said bibliographies rather than biographies. If you have found living people who do not have any "free content" works, then they probably fall outside the scope of Wikisource as discussed in January. ”

“ The long range vision is to make Wikisource a good resource for historic music: the Web is full of lyrics sites and YouTube fills a function, but how many places bring lyrics and sheet music together with audio? See Author:James Scott for an idea of where this is headed. ”

“ A mere passing reference to a name in a list, or in another article may not even be enough justification for any page solely devoted to the person. Eclecticology (talk) 23:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikisource author pages are a place to build an extensive bibliography for a person. I see no reason to say who is worthy of a list of works that mention them, provided those lists are limited to "published" or documentary works. In Wikipedia's books, it is roughly that the person must have been given significant coverage in two works. ”

“ Proving that persons do not have free content works would require proving a negative. Like Hesperian I shudder at the notion of a notability policy, but an insistence on author pages for non-authors could drive us to that. The mentioned January discussion was about whether an author was living or dead, not about whether he was or wasn't an author. Eclecticology (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC) The other angle is our topic indices, which at present (unfortunately) reside in our meta namespace. Wikisource:Australia is for works about Australia ”

“ There's no over-arching declaration that says we have to organize our stuff in a particular way, though I think it'd be a poor idea to abandon a system that is used by several other projects. Similar organization structures make cross-wiki information more easily accessed. ”

“ Not being paper gives us some flexibilities not available in traditional works, but does not completely exempt us from logic. The task is do-able if we approach it in small chunks. Eclecticology (talk) 19:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC) Author pages This discussion arises as a by-product of the deletion discussion for Abraham Lincoln Brigade. That article is a list of people who participated in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. Each item in that long list of items on that page has been turned into an author page link. This is an abuse of the notion of author pages. ”

“ Q If a user overwrites a version to an article to create a new article, how can we separate them into two articles and maintain the edit history? In this case the Revision as of 20:51, 2 April 2008 should remain untouched and the Revision as of 21:44, 2 October 2008 by 81.96.196.186 should be a completely new main space entry with only the single edit. ”

“ I'm certainly willing to give that fair consideration if someone sets up a draft. The alphabetic breakdown model could be applied to any category that's big enough, not just authors. Eclecticology (talk) 17:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC) I added a demonstration to Category:Authors-A. It starts the category list at the given prefix, but it apparently isn't possible to hide subsequent prefixes (although it really should be) . —{admin} Pathoschild 20:17:42, 04 October 2008 (UTC) Using a sub-sorting method like that ("that" being {{LargeCatToc}}) is the way to go, in my opinion ”

“ There was an existing page for the song already, unsourced with lyrics only, that seems to be asserting it's taken from the original publication (but gets the publication date off by one year) . I suspect the Wikisource text comes from a later reprinting, but don't know which one and don't have access to the original to check its fidelity. Durova (talk) 22:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC) I don't think that it is a pirated version, at least not from Julia Ward Howe. ”

“ For the "Grant-Duff" situation the secondary category might better be Category:Authors-D|Duff because you want that one to sort properly among the Ds where people are searching. Eclecticology (talk) 04:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Actually, not. The Duff entry lists it on the Authors-D, and the redirect with Cat puts it on Authors-G though alphabetically, not at the right place as it would be Author... A DEFAULTSORT on the redirect page should do the job. Allowable or conventional? You would need a greater expert. It would work. ”

“ They're superfluous and create more work. If there were a category called "Fiction" that had lots of pages in it, more categories would make sense. In addition, I would like to note that making huge changes like these without community discussion, or notification even, was a poor judgment call. Psychless 21:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC) I also don't see a problem with having more then 200 pages in a category. It is not unusual in Wikipedia to have thousands in a category. ”

“ S surname message boards at RootsWeb presents a solution. Is there the ability to have that level of Index at the tops of the page? If we have multiple author page in letter S, I am just as likely to say forget it, then to want to hit page forward multiple times. Category pages are ugly at the best of times, and it would be good to make them easier. -- billinghurst (talk) 03:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC) We could add a box like w:Template:LargeCategoryTOC, which would be similar to that. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:43:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC) I haven't used it anywhere. ”

“ Personally, I would link from the first occurrence in the text. Hesperian 04:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC) It would be great to see all of these biographical entries link to an Author. As these are biographical entries, I think it would be more appropriate to add a short message in all "notes" fields. As there are hundreds of entries, we should formulate a plan, and then request a bot operator to put the plan into action. John Vandenberg (chat) 05:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC) Done on the bold title (for what Hesperian said) . ”

“ Moving Peace Treaty of Utrecht to Treaty of Utrecth between Great Britain and France sounds like a good idea. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC) Hopefully with "Utrecht" spelt correctly. ”

“ Now I can write this: Author:Henry Abbey/Data Author:Henry Abbey/Data is born in Author:Henry Abbey/Data and is wiki link is [ [:w:Author:Henry Abbey/Data|w:Author:Henry Abbey/Data] ] The code for this is: {{#lst:Author:Henry Abbey/Data|firstname}} {{#lst:Author:Henry Abbey/Data|lastname}} is born in {{#lst:Author:Henry Abbey/Data|birthyear}} and is wiki link is [ [:w:{{#lst:Author:Henry Abbey/Data|wikipedia_link}}|w:{{#lst:Author:Henry Abbey/Data|wikipedia_link}}] ] --Alex brollo (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Then I added template:AuthField. ”