John Solomon Rarey

“ The cross wiki links could then be added at the page for the foreign language word. This also made it easier to deal with unrelated words in separate languages which also happened to be homographs. Premature drives toward consistency can be very short-sighted and ignore how potentially enormous Wikisource can become. For now, I would not fault anyone for making the wrong link. It's best to leave contributors to muddle through constructively. If better links can be made it's no big deal for someone to come through and change them later. ”

“ Disabling of subpages in the main namespace of Wikipedia was already being implemented when I first became involved in 2002, and I never did grasp why this was being done. I would like to see what happens if we turn this on, before going ahead with the other. It could seriously affect the way we work in other ways. It would be nice to see a more consistent use of the "previous" parameter in the Header so that it would only apply to a page of equal rank, and not to a page that is higher in the hierarchy. ”

“ I may personally be irritated by contributors who add humongous numbers of page scans without ever proofreading anything, but I can't insist that they do more. Hesperian is absolutely right about our raison d'être, but, however desirable these links may be, and as long as contributors are making some kind of positive additions we cannot insist that they go very far out of contributory comfort zone. Someone who is comfortable with what he does is likely to be seriously inefficient when he goes very far from that zone ”

“ Of all the author pages that I have built, I have come across zero authors who have lived beyond 100. I wouldn't want to see another template have to be added, I would rather see some smarts built into the author template where it utilises the existing BD date fields and the absence of data. With all of that, when it is Author pages it is only ever indicative, it should be the Works that have something more definitive. ”

“ Editability is fundamental to free content. As for derivative works, besides translations, which I'm not so quick to dismiss, there are simplifications, copying with adapations for all types of legal bodies, big and small, paraphrases, and anywhere you want to use part of the law and not worry about whether someone considers it "accurate". ”

“ They are bound to seem strange when someone tries to patch them in here. Beneficial as it may be for us to have links from Wikipedia back to this project, I admit that I do very little of it. When I do I will approach it from a more intuitive perspective that may not fit in with the most recent thinking on such matters; there are always plenty of people there who are more up-to-date on this kind of thing, and who can fix it more easily. ”

“ Kipling regularly revised his works for republication in book form, but both versions are as-author-intended. Unfortunately, I have not seen the Saturday Review version, published in the UK a month before the McClure's version. The old 30-day copyright rule in US law was an important factor in those days. We cannot host every version of every publication, and document all the typographical variants that were introduced into every new version of a popular work, or every extract that was put into an anthology. ”

“ Wikilinks from articles At the moment, our wikilink guidelines talk about linking to relative (in a work) or contextual pages (at WP/WIKT) . We don't particularly talk about links from the main namespace to Author pages, or how we might be building refs/bibliography to people (articles) .
From the body of an article, do people link to author pages? Do they link to author pages only if the link itself relates that person's writings? If we link to a WP: article about a person who is an author, is there the means to find the pages that we link to from WS. An example ... Charles Darwin. ”

“ Eclecticology (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC) We're happy for people to link to Wikisource, but I've think we've got consensus that we don't want to do the linking in-line, as if Wikisource were the reference for the article text, both because Wikipedia articles should reflect the opinions of secondary sources, rather than the interpretations made by Wikipedians of the meaning and significance of primary sources, and also because wikis (including Wikipedia of course) are never treated as reliable sources. ”

“ I find that whole page to be one big muddle, and the images there don't help when they spread the links out even more. The bigger difficulty is with our top level organization. What's really needed is a more systematic approach to our top level organization, and a more co-ordinated view of the way in which we employ the Wikisource: and Category: namespaces. This needs a far sighted approach that takes into account what this project can be and what it can include. ”

“ In addition to numbering the paragraphs in the main flow of text with letters or numbers, all paragraphs are also consistently numbered on the margin and this is the main system of cross-referencing in this book. One of my most important goals in its proofreading is to make this cross-referencing convenient using hyperlinks, but also to preserve as much as possible the original display of this numbering. ”

“ Our "page" titles need not be identical to what the original used, though our page should show the original title prominently near the beginning of the article itself. Our headers are not a part of the original article; they represent metadata that allow the article to interface with other material that we host. Disambiguation, and easily linked short titles are all a part of that interface. If a person is really interested in protocols to the E.U. Treaty we need to make the linkage as easy as possible. ”

“ Extraction of photos When at Page: places, there are photos on some of the pages, and by the Side by Side instructions it says to use {{Use page image}} which then gives red text "This page consists of an image that needs to be cropped or cleaned up, and uploaded to Commons." Is there any process to get these done? Or do we need to learn for ourselves to crop? No one knows of some people who enjoy that side of the operations?
Beyond finding what links to that template, it seems that we don't have a ready means to clean up that space. Currently b/w 200 and 250 images linked. ”

“ Author:Nostradamus‎. 21:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Your proposal goes well beyond reasonable care. Reasonable care does not require to generally anticipate willfully offensive behaviour such as vandalism, and even there the extent of the damage needs to be considered, as should the ability to recover from the damage. The case that you cite had to do with a broken pipe, and the court was merely ruling that the defence of due diligence was available; it did not rule whether that defence would be successful under the circumstances. ”

“ If people only do one link, then it is to mainspace, and the public is unaffected. I am not doing the scripting, so I limit myself to expressing an opinion and indicating a preference. -- billinghurst (talk) 23:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC) I've tried to create something of the sort at Template:Self reference (may very well be brittle, I would appreciate if other people versed in template magic were to look it over to confirm its correctness) . In doing so I've found something of an odd problem: relative links do not appear to work in the Page namespace. ”

“ BD Jackson page the links look fairly inconsistent, no offence Eclecticology, nothing inherently wrong with linking some to WS author pages & some to WP & some as redlinks but as time goes by and we get more authorpages and less redlinks (on WP as well as WS) it'll seem increasingly inconsistent and confusing & may need, at some point in the future, to be edited to ensure a consistent form of linking. ”

“ The referencing purpose is a good one, but our approach to cross-referencing is seriously underdeveloped. There are likely a number of ways this could be done, but I am loath to predict how that will develop over the years to come. ”

“ One book that I have worked on in the past is The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night. Besides being a fine collection of stories, it is difficult to capture how each story fits into the broader scheme of the work. Eclecticology (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC) The first thing I think we could solve quite easily. A little bit of Javascript could add a menu beside the page edit links which would copy the full article name to the clipboard. Or if the clipboard is too difficult, a popup layer of the slashed page title. The second is a bit trickier. The software needs to be changed first. ”

“ That makes sense; but it does mean we should clarify the PD status of Canadian laws in the US on the license template, and we certainly don't need to semi-protect them, as they are PD in the country the servers are located in. ”

“ Wikisource:Works & Images Following on from comments below on WS:Works and my question on images I noticed in Wikisource:Image guidelines we say "Most images are not useful on Wikisource, since text is the primary purpose; images should not be added simply because they bear some indirect relevance to the subject." This would seem to rule out pretty much all the images on Wikisource:Works. ”

“ Um, sorry to come into this discussion so late, but, in what way is the Reproduction of Federal Law Order a Free Content license? It clearly seems to grant no rights to create derivative works, which is required by the Free Content definition. Have I missed something here? JesseW (talk) `
There was formerly several discussions about whether or not to accept works covered under the waivers. Acts under the {{UK-Crown-waiver}} were at one time deleted, and it was suggested Canadian Acts be deleted as well. ”

“ If we get the principles right, then rules/guidelines can be written and suggested, where the rules don't meet a scenario, people are able to measure against the principle. So let me make a start at this, and others can adapt and build. In Wikisource, to build we wikilink ... (outdent follows) Main namespace Internally link to works Internally link to authors Externally link to definitions, events, etc. (to sister projects) 1 So?
Internally link to publications? Specific mention of people, who are non-authors, though not major focus of a work. ”

“ The difficulty that comes out of this question is that everyone works differently, and emphasizes different aspects of what needs to be done. Like Billinghusrt, I spend a lot of time on the DNB project, but very, very little of that time on making sure that WP has links back to WS. On the occasions when I do, my tendency would be to put simple in-line links in the form "WS:Article title|visible text" ”

“ Template:The Modern Art of Taming Wild Horses/Index Template:The Modern Art of Taming Wild Horses/Schema Tell me if you are interested about. The advantage is that all header data, and all chapter data, are written once, with a good low redundance/high coherence goal; if you have to fix a mistake, you can do it once and you'll will fix all. ”

“ Those who're bothered enough to read and use the policies would use them and help to keep the links in good order, while those who don't wouldn't do anything different whether there was a set standard or not. ”

“ I don't find Wikisource:Works to be very useful; it's all very higgledy-piggledy and unsystematic. The pretty images only add to the clutter. We have yet to find the happy middle ground between the pages in the Wikisource namespace and categories. Eclecticology (talk) 00:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC) The thread only gets more complicated when people put in extraneous matters and split/fray the thread, like whether we find WW useful. ”

“ For someone like Marian Edwardes, it would be useful if there were any biographical data known was added to the Notes section. My research skills for finding people in 19th and early 20th century is reasonable so base details of who, where, flourishing dates all help to isolate and tie a person down. Happy to do that research if people leave a note on my talk page. -- billinghurst (talk) 02:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC) Tracking down some of these may be next to impossible. For Edwardes, her translations seem to all pre-date 1923 so there should be no problem about copyright. ”

“ Due diligence to insure accuracy is completely consistent with what we do here. We really need to avoid doctrinaire interpretations of the Free Content definition. Eclecticology (talk) 18:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC) While that makes sense in terms of our goals at En.Wikisource, it's certainly not what Wikimedia as a whole has stated as fundamental principles. If we do want to accept works whose licenses don't permit the creation of derivative works, we really ought to explicitly say that in Wikisource:Copyright. ”

“ I would have preferred to work from the first UK serial publication, but that's not what I had available. In Kipling's case he also considerably edited his works when he republished them in book form. If you have an important version of the book, and you want to proofread our text in conformity with that, that would be great. A simple replacement of all the American spellings with UK spellings would not be acceptable. Eclecticology (talk) 05:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC) When I first uploaded The Turn of the Screw, it was from a Project Gutenberg text that used American spelling. ”

“ My grasp of ancient Greek typography (and lanaguage) is much better than my knowledge of English. Just drop a line on my it.source talk page and (without haste) I'll run here. - εΔω 00:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC) FAL I built {{FAL}} Based on {{GFDL}}, Could someone check my work, I don't think I got it exactly right. It is posted on Cold Fusion Hypothesis, and seems to be putting the article in Category:GFDL and I am not sure why. Jeepday (talk) 12:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
A null edit on the page on 'Cold Fusion' has cycled the templates. I don't know why it works, but it does. ”