“ Anyone who sets out to do things as Sherurcij suggests may just be giving himself more work than he can handle. If he tries this for only one complete game it may take an unrealistic amount of time to get it done. I don't hold much hope for a massive inclusion of raw data from chess games, except as a part of otherwise includible published works, though I would be open to some arguments in favour. For the most part I think that this kind of project is more suited to Wikibooks. ”

“ We sometimes need to ask what is "our" canonical Shakespeare text, and how do we reconcile other variations to that? I had enough of an argument with a Rudyard Kipling poem that had only two clearly identifiable versions. The two versions now have separate pages. For a Shakespeare play the situation is incredibly more complicated. My bigger concern was with your initial comments that suggested imputing copyrights to modern editions of older works that are otherwise clearly in the public domain. One simply needs to avoid reading too much into a publisher's copyright statement. ”

“ Just because someone has used a modern printing of a Shakespeare work does not imply that that edition acquired a new copyright when it was issued. Minor corrections to the text would not generate a new copyright. What would be copyright in those editions would be any new introductory material, typesetting and layout. It would be quite alright for me to use a modern text version in a wiki text, but a scanned version should be avoided. To say that PG seems to have done a creditable job of transcribing the first folio is not enough. ”

“ Questions The license on licenses A bit of a confusing concept, but if you have a text on a license, would the text be under copyright or licensed under the license it describes? For instance, Nupedia Open Content License has no indication of its copyright. Would it follow the basic copyright or the NOCL licensing? Another example would be the GNU Free Documentation License. ”

“ If we want to include a lot of additional material in the headers, the burden of adding that material should not be foisted upon the average contributor. Such detailed requirements only work to discourage contributors. While I appreciate that some want formats that will be more consistent with standard bibliographic practice, let them be the ones to add that, perhaps in a separate template.
Enough information to establish the freeness of the text is still important, but it can be modularized out of the header. ”

“ Wikisource is yet to have a "daily" feature, so we are unlikely to be able to feed content into a stream that is up tempo. That said, we could probably push one larger work out per month, and that could be broken up into a daily segment, so listeners end up listening to the entire work over the period of the month. Our audio usually comes from other sources (I havent seen any audio files created by Wikisource users) so it would take a significant effort for us to ensure that we have an audio stream for each featured text. ”

“ I believe that being able to laugh at ourselves is always a good principle to follow. I have certainly been intrigued by the project as presented on the mailing lists, and have no reason to oppose it. Nevertheless, I see it as something for other people to do. I share the same kind of concerns expressed by John and Yann. Most of us will see these initiatives as good ideas, but unless someone is ready, willing and able to maintain them they ain't gonna happen. Note that on this Scriptorium page the "Wikisource News" feature at the top has not been changed since October. ”

“ Pathosbot won't only resolve redirects; it also standardizes parameter layout, performs validation (invalid parameters, invalid or deprecated parameter use, formatting in metadata parameters, redundant symbols, broken syntax, and so forth) , and detects incorrect conversions (bot or human) , so there is value in a one-time conversion. Since we encourage users to copy & paste from other pages, it would be beneficial to ensure that pages are using the header correctly, but we cannot easily do this manually or during other bot tasks. ”

“ So, now it comes to the obvious point, are there any Wikisource contributors (what do you call yourselves? Wikisourceologists?) who see potential here. Wikiversity has been kicking around a similar idea since sometime last year called Wiki Campus Radio, and when I fleshed out the proposal in an email to the ComCom list, the proposal was described as "WikiRadio4"; this is a bow to the BBC's Radio 4 channel which is heavyweight, serious, and... well, look up the Wikipedia article, "gravitas" springs to mind. ”

“ I think that a more pro-active approach to copyright would be more suitable for us. We could be doing our own as a wiki, and inviting them to join us....for the same rate of pay. Machine translations are not copyrightable because they are mechanical and lack originality. They are also bloody awful. Taking an article from the Encyclopédie starting the translation mechanically, then editing it into sensibility would be a perfectly wiki way of doing things. Eclecticology 03:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC) I wrote to them asking if a CC-BY-SA license would be acceptable for these translations. ”

“ If the sovereignty of the States is to be maintained, the Representatives must be drawn immediately from the States, not from the people: and we have no power to vary the idea of equal sovereignty. The only expedient that will cure the difficulty, is that of throwing the States into Hotchpot. ”

“ Proposals Wikimedia Radio I see a few names of users I recognise above, people who'll know me from various mailing lists, and know my home project is Wikinews. We have what I think is an interesting proposal here on the Wikinews Water Cooler. The initial proposal was for a Wikinews Internet Radio station, not realistic, but a thought-provoking suggestion. I've put a little work into raising a number of points on this for discussion and I was gently reminded I'd omitted Wikisource then informed you guys have audio books that could be used. ”

“ Im not sure Wikibooks would want a standalone transcript, unless a lot of annotations were added to give it some educational value. See b:Opening theory in chess.
Before there were restrictions on the type of file that could be uploaded, games in w:Portable Game Notation were uploaded to Wikipedia; there are three left. It would be good if Wikimedia Commons accepted PGN files, or a similar format, and even better if the mediawiki software provided the ability to render these (as a gif, or as a multipage image like it does with djvu) . ”

“ Copyright law can be a little confusing. The essential text of the plays would not be under copyright at all, even for a modern edition. A modern text would need a strong element of originality to be protected ... ”

“ If a proportional representation be right, why do we not vote so here? If we argue on the fact5 that a federal compact actually exists, and consult the articles of it we still find an equal Sovereignty to be the basis of it. ”

“ Then our pages can be indexed in WorldCat as an Internet resource for any specific edition. For example, a "wikipedia" parameter would be very beneficial, as we already have {{wikipedia}} or {{wikipediaref}} on most works. Year of publication is another param that has been asked for often, and can often be determined automatically using the categories or header notes field. See Template talk:Header/Archive 1#Date_param. Also, and perhaps a little less expected, is an "oclc" parameter, which is a unique identifier for every work. ”

“ We need to move on in order to tighten up our standards. I do not agree we should be more flexible, as tighter standards help new users pick up the ropes sooner, and allow tools to be written to better manage this enormous collection. John Vandenberg (chat) 07:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC) What high costs? What's so wrong about championing new approaches? Is it really an exception requiring a martyr's barnstar to allow others to develop different visions? Where is the community approval for the notion of "standard practises" as something more enforceable than mere guidelines? ”

“ Site redesign How much flexibility does Wikisource have from WMF on general site outlay? I'm just curious, because I wouldn't mind getting a bunch of talents together and trying to make us "stand out" a little more - lends an air of legitimacy, a community-building project and all of that great stuff. ”

“ While some of these are good ideas, most either cannot be automated by a text processing bot (like adding links to metadata databases) , or require human supervision and should be done separately (like placing {{subpage-header}} or adding data in the header) . Do you have suggestions for a short-term automated run with little human supervision? It would be better to discuss each of these ideas separately, then update pages according to the decisions reached. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:35:56, 06 May 2008 (UTC) parsing " [ [category:dddd works] ] " into a "year" parameter is simple. ”

“ The whole notion of community approval leaves much to be desired, given the small size of the regular community. Giving the new editor a set of guidelines with which to start is fine, but he also needs to feel free to deviate when these arbitrary standards are inadequate to his efforts. As for the management tools, it is important to remember that tools should serve the community, not the other way around. Eclecticology 07:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC) My tool is trying to find an accurate algorithm to answer the question "how many works are on Wikisource?"; that is serving the community. ”

“ Using the encyclopedia's name as a primary title item provides little if any benefit. A benefit is conceivable in such a scheme with a diligently applied system of categorization, but that would require considerable work that nobody seems prepared to do. Such a categorization or indexing system must also be prepared to account for the different names by which the topic, and the vagaries of different alphabetization systems that may be either word-by-word or letter by letter. ”

“ Does anyone have a problem with "year" or "wikipedia"; can we think of others? John Vandenberg (chat) 01:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps forcing the {{edition}} template in the header, that way users will have to provide their sources in the talk page to avoid a red link in the work page, and we wouldn't need to include a template link in the notes section. And I admit I'm one who forgets to add this template, although I always provide the sources for the work in the talk page. Also, by "Wikipedia", I assume you mean to integrate the {{wikipediaref}} template? ”

“ There's no need to feel limited by the existing textinfo template. If you feel that an existing template is inadequate to your (and you feel that you have enough geekish skills) , then by all means go ahead and develop your own version. Eclecticology 17:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Tax documents I've been doing some cleanup of PDF files on Wikipedia, and I've found an editor who has uploaded a large number of tax documents relating to the Church of Scientology in PDF format . Would they be better off here? ”

“ Prices may drop somewhat in poor economic times since non-necessities are the first things to be given up. Condition will be a big factor in the book's value. Eclecticology 07:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Microsoft will shut down Live Search Books next week See http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/4946163/ If MSN has digitized Public Domain content in cooperation with the Open Content Alliance download links to the Internet Archive (IA) were given in MSN Live Search Books. After the end of Live Search the books are still downloadable at the IA but there will be no full text search. ”

“ Our object is not such a Governmt. as may be best in itself, but such a one as our Constituents have authorized us to prepare, and as they will approve. If we argue the matter on the supposition that no Confederacy at present exists, it can not be denied that all the States stand on the footing of equal sovereignty. ”

“ At the moment it's the games of the world chess championship 1986 since on de they don't want it to be included in the article but linked somewhere. :P --Conspiration 11:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC) I think this is probably the best way to set up the layout for a match - being sure to throw a NOTOC in there somewhere before the end. I've asked the template designers at WP if they can't help us out a bit, and create an easy way to "shade" a piece that has just moved - so that "non-chess fanatics" can still easily follow the play of the game. ”

“ This would significantly reduce the amount of work the contributor has to do as well as help ensure that our works are not copyvios.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 15:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC) "year_published" or "publication_year" works for me. Thinking long term, I would prefer that our header/bibliographic template had enough raw data in it that we don't need license tags. The license can be inferred in most situations; either with a bit of LST magic, or a bot which reviews new pages (after a day to avoid annoying users?) ”

“ I don't think there are many old pages not using the subpage format; most of those were corrected a long time ago. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:03:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC) "Corrected" is your POV" Eclecticology 08:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC) Indeed, mine and that of the various community members who agreed to enable subpage syntax on Wikisource and to implement a subpage convention, and who then manually renamed pages to conform to the standard. There are several reasons for the subpage convention we use, which the approach you advocate blocks. ”