“ Now, this nation of 300 million can breathe a collective sigh of relief, that whenever they link to or download a portion of this ancient, influential and esteemed work through the internet, they can do so without the dread of violating their nation's copyright law!Although the popular use of the internet is a phenomenon that has been going on for about 17 years, there have always been nations with their access to a hypertext of Aristotle's Organon under copyright doubt. ”
Summary
“Scriptorium/Archives/2013-03”, is a work by . It explores elements such as Wikisource, template and bot.
Quotes from Scriptorium/Archives/2013-03 ()
“ Scribunto extension roll out planned for February 18 Wikimedia Foundation has been working on improving performance and adding features to template pages within MediaWiki. As a result of this WMF developed a new Scribunto extension for MediaWiki which enables Lua scripting language for templates. The developers are confident about the extension's maturity and it was decided that Scribunto is going to be deployed to this wiki in the first batch. The deployment will begin on February 18 and will simply add a feature. Please be so kind and spread the word about the deployment on your wiki. ”
“ Do you want to help other people turn their ideas into project plans or grant proposals? Please join us in the IdeaLab, an incubator for project ideas and Individual Engagement Grant proposals.The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking new ideas and proposals for Individual Engagement Grants. These grants fund individuals or small groups to complete projects that help improve this community. If interested, please submit a completed proposal by February 15, 2013. Please visit https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG for more information. ”
“ The password protection is for the user account and not for any individual blog (the guidance mentions password protection for secondary blogs but this seems to refer to read-access rather than write-access) . Anyway, secondary blogs have members and admins. Members can post and edit/delete their own posts; admins can delete anyone's posts, invite new members and remove them. Admins can promote members to admin status but once they have that status they can't be demoted or removed. (Tumblr FAQ) . ”
“ That said, every work has a talk page, and a notes section. Annotations on a talk page are completely legitimate, and the use of the parameter edition= yes in {{header}} will point users to talk pages. Part of an issue, is what is "verifiable" and whether such an annotation should be in a work. For instance, part of a research approach is to reference a work as is, and comment about it in the article/essay, not to go back and change the reference work from which the incorrect fact is drawn. ”
“ Now, regarding my personal video on that wonderful book about all kinds of "Cycles" -- it is strictly my personal work complete with a Disclaimer although not within the video but rather in a comment area below the video. It is a hope of mine that you have not accused a good man to a point that WS has lost an excellent editor who really cares about improving Wikisource. ”
“ Regarding Wikisource and the Library, a collaboration project can be arranged. It would need community agreement but the main Wikisource:Community collaboration might be possible too; its a subset of the current one anyway. There already seems to be enough on Commons to be going along with (although more can't hurt if you can upload it) . - AdamBMorgan (talk) 18:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC) I've set up a WikiProject to co-ordinate transcribing material from the library. There are many documents already on Commons ready for proofreading and transclusion. ”
“ I might add, that where I found the three stanzas making up the poem entitled "Where Love is King" online, the last two stanzas do not follow in successive (albeit broken) order as they do in the longer work... The last stanza of the three comes before the middle stanza (in the longer work) . So MODCHK might have a point where a "thematic" element might be at play. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC) DNB milestone blog (for Wikimedia UK) Here is something I wrote to mark the DNB WikiProject's posting of the Dictionary of National Biography ”
“ Proofread Texts of the Month awards -- make them unique -- match the books Why can we not use better/prettier images for each proofread award of the month? For example, Past Collaborations shows very nice and varied images as opposed to the same old star, or any modification of it thereof. The awards images should look good on people's pages. The same old stars, or any modification thereof, does not do this. It is more attractive including for people looking in at them. ”
“ I have no interest at all in making you "happy" in any form (that is your spouse's duty in all forms) on your talk page because I do not feel it is my duty nor a necessity. I do not enjoy being bored. —Maury (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Point-by-point: "Endorsement": I was referring to adding a disclaimer (the word I was looking for, thanks) within the context of the proposed WS video—not the "Cycle" video (I only used the Cycle video as an example of a private project; that is all) ... ”
“ What is achieved by placing some of these in a separate section, except ambiguity? The same goes for announcements. Bot requests are really a maintenance issue and of little or no interest to anyone except admins, regardless of activity. A heads up notice here would be fine. (a total of 4 users, all admins, have !voted there) Moondyne (talk) 13:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC) The bot requests being here reflects the history that the community, as a whole, has discussed and approved the functioning of bots (see Wikisource:Bots) . If you wish to suggest a change, go for it. ”
“ This page too fuckin' long (again) to actually propose, debate and resolve all but the most simple of proposals without it getting lost in the weeds first for some folks so Erasamo has a point (though unsupported) about consent, scheduling and so on while ResidentScholar also has a point about shit getting passed or implemented without the normal due diligence running it's course beforehand, again, thanks to the amount of overgrowth taking place here moreso than anything deceptive or similar taking place. ”
“ Heaven knows we have lots to validate around here. Pick an agreed-upon time to run the validation challenge, choose a comparable work (or smaller works) to the validated work (s) -in-question to be validated, and see if the editor can duplicate their feat (minus the mistakes) . But do not let the editor know what work will be chosen until the agreed-upon time. Just a thought. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC) Interesting idea, but no. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC) Not so interesting... ”
“ Any such person will need a Tumblr account and I don't think they need to set up a primary blog if they don't want one. Presumably, some Wikisource community approval will be required. There is a voting section on WikiProject Social media but it doesn't get enough attention at the moment to fulfil it's own requirements. Member status should probably be easier to acquire than admin status but this is yet to be determined. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:43, 5 February 2013 (UTC) Well that certainly complicates my proposal. ”
“ I like that we have a single place where the whole community comes for all discussions. Per Billinghurst, let's just archive more. Hesperian 14:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC) I had introduced a bot section as the requests were getting lost in the body, not being approved nor particularly reviewed. If we were going to merge the sections, it would be worthwhile consider a tag, or alternate means to identify the three sections, be it a little label to be inserted, or a small lead template that formats the start of the section, or that we could do for specific types, eg. ”
“ Portals are slower to mature, and are one where we still could do with some expert guidance, and some excellent organisers. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC) BOT approval requests 90 day warnings posted The following bots and owners have not been active on Wikisource for 2 or more years, they have been given notice to demonstrate requirement for bot flag. The 90 days per Wikisource:Bots#Confirmation will expire on or about April 5, 2013. Note in cases where a English Wikisource bot owner account was not readily available, notice is only left at the bot talk page. ”
“ Alternative Question, in what way is the creation of a video maintenance? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2013 (UTC) The creation of a video is not properly maintenance, but it falls into the "editor recruitment" field. We have covered this when we reformed the main page and the newsletter. They are all things to increase participation to Wikisource. The use of a certain word must not tie down our possibilities to do something towards Wikisource. ”
“ Nice job, can we at the end of the end month (ish) retrospectively note the completed texts from {{new texts}} from the month? Or we could note them when we transfer them to their archive at Wikisource:Works Currently I am the only person with control over this Tumblr. Some organisation goes on via WikiProject Social media. I missed some things over the last two months as I was having various internet connectivity problems. There may be a problem in that everything we do runs on a monthly cycle, so it all updates on the same day. ”
“ In short, don't play with them, they are not broken themselves, it is the system. Fortunately it doesn't effect anything at the mainspace level, as these pages are not transcluded through— billinghurst sDrewth 12:57, 4 February 2013 (UTC) The template subpages issue has been resolved, however, we do still have some changed configuration that may or may not be problematic. Index and Page namespaces now have subpages, the implication of this is that any time that there is a forwardslash "/" in a name, then it will not be treated as a character, instead it will be treat it as a subpage. ”
“ There are lots of ways to handle derivative works. Oldwikisource:Wikisource:Subdomain coordination gives a look at some of the different approaches. Hebrew Wikisource, for example, has a separate namespace for derivative works; the only example of this in any Wikisource as far as I am aware. On the other hand, Italian Wikisource bans both translation and annotation (and, presumably, comparison or any other form of "value-added" text) . We could go either way or somewhere in between. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC) Copyvio I am afraid we have to delete St. ”
“ Addendum, The text layer should be applied automatically when you edit the page for the first time. If that is not happening it means that the text layer is not present in the work OR it needs to be shaken loose from the DjVu, and a purge of the file via the link on the Index page will usually loosen that. ”
“ As a potential compromise for the rest, perhaps every section could be split to a subpage and transcluded back in, as with /Help at the moment? Then we would keep the all-in-one-place aspect of the page while people who only wanted to follow one section could do so. A problem with this would be the "Add topic" button. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:25, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Sorry, my bad. Unfortunately, real life has gotten in the way with my coming around as often as I'd like. The script has actually been working pretty well, as long as I remember to run it. ”
“ That way, if I should fall in front of a bus (or whatever) , it can be revived, repaired or reclaimed using that account. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC) I looked around at Meta to see if there was anything about this, nothing jumped out at me. Presumably as intended this tumblr is a community asset. In that case it would really belong to the foundation, but there is nothing (glaringly obvious) dictating the management of such at meta. We know there are multiple similar social network accounts, maybe we should look to the foundation for direction? ”
“ Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:03, 2 February 2013 (UTC) Comment I would think that we would want to see RtR in action prior to granting it the bot flag, or some other demonstration that you know how to control it, eg. it has bot status elsewhere. After that, I would think that we would hold you to similar standards for the rest of us using AWB. Major maintenance tasks are documented on the bot page, or a subpage that is what I have been doing with sDrewthbot (talk • contribs) ) . That for ad hoc minor tasks that they have an adequate edit summary of what is the purpose ”
“ I am reverting your contrivance to put you and Maury's private project on the front page—which, in the field of project selection on Wikisource, is as rare as a block. ResScholar (talk) 19:54, 2 February 2013 (UTC) Comment In reply about erronous and offensive statements about me and in support of a good fellow editor (Erasmo) : ResidentScholar, are there not rules for these sorts of things whereby a person [Erasmo] is (1) is supposed have the "benefit of the doubt"? (2) to "be bold"? (3) Are there not rules that state something to the effect of no personal attacks? ”
“ Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC) My opinion: Transcribe exactly as is with framing (as image) and text—and all on the same Mainspace page; I think the readers will "get" it. Good thing is each poem (other than the one in the header) resides on its own separate page. MODCHK might have some ideas for formatting so that the text fits neatly within the bordering. Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC) Ah, you had to be on the relevant pages to understand, they don't appear in the latter half of the book where I was looking. ”
“ Tear each other down or work together to move things forward? -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC) The Question of endorsement comes to mind. If the project is presented as a Wikisource-endorsed venture (by the mere fact that it is being developed on WS pages) , then more debate/input/involvement would seem to be needed. Or, the project can be developed privately, as Mr. Morris has done for his "Cycle" video ”
“ You may as well take a look at A Princetonian and The Young Visiters for an idea, what with the dozens of red links that haven't been coloured. And yes, I'm thinking of a script to apply the OCR text into those pages. Say, am I acting like Sniffles or what?) --Slgrandson (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2013 (UTC) Well in those two cases the pagelist matches-up with the scanned page progression so it doesn't look like there are any duplicate or missing pages and that's the primary concern with bulk creations. ”
“ Marking and tracking portals as unreviewed may therefore give a false, negative impression to readers. So, I am proposing removing the parameter and associated category. (The talk page template may be useful in the future for other things, so I am not including it in this proposal.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:32, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Please don't. I am well aware that I have created some tentative portal entries which could benefit from review (if there ever was one!) ”
