“ I understand that you don’t have a bot on Commons, but it doesn’t change anything in my statement. There are tools on Commons to manage images (crop, rotate, etc.) which we don't have here. PNG is fine, but you could upload JPG directly, it would save you bandwidth, time to upload. If the images come from a file which is in the public domain, there are also in the PD. And I think that uploading them without a license is bad. You shouldn’t do that. Finally, Commons is not the Alien planetoid, and you could certainly apply and get a bot status there. ”

“ The larger "issue" when it comes to "mobile" is that (for the trillionth time) our namespace headers are still html-table based and do not display very well (if at all) never mind fail gracefully, again, on any mobile device that I've ever seen. A move to an all Div based header framework is sorely needed regardless.
As for which Layout should be the deafult - just turn off java and you'll get your answer (Layout 1, the closest one to not having any DL at all) . ”

“ Something is always better than nothing and a contest can bring in new editors as well as get editors to focus upon specific books. If even 1 page of 1 book is done then that is an accomplishment that never before has existed. ”

“ And I would expect an upload over the top to be followed by a page move anyhow, since the titles I use are not appropriate for the final image, and also I don't want my upload namespace polluted with final images. I take copyright seriously and am not willing to run a bot that makes copyright assertions on my behalf. As you have noted, I deliberately and explicitly pass the buck on copyright. I have not been given permission to run a bot at Commons, and I doubt that this bot would be approved over there. If I mess up, I like to know I am among friends. ”

“ If your wiki adds stars or other icons to interwiki links for featured articles in other languages, you may need to change the JavaScript code. You can thank other users for their edits even if your browser does not have JavaScript. All edits made through Flow, the new discussion system for MediaWiki, are now visible in user's contributions. You can test it on the Flow talk page on MediaWiki.org. You can test a visual tool that shows edits made to an article over time. ”

“ That said, a collaboration, a POTM, and any personal projects a user may have is the normal set up. No one has to work on everything; everyone's a volunteer and everything is optional. Again personally, I do need to reduce the number of things I work on and I've been trying to do so. As a project, however, I don't think there is necessarily a problem; we have about 300 users at any one time, which should be enough. ”

“ This is a Wikisource maintenance project. These raw page scans promote our mission, not Commons'. Scans are provided in the highest quality possible, which means a lossless format, which means PNG. But many of these images will need to be uploaded to Commons in their final form as JPG, which means it will not be possible to upload over the top. Uploading such images to Commons offers no "time and resources" benefit. Even when the final image will be a PNG, the "time and resources" benefit is minimal — one still has to download it to edit it, and then upload it again. ”

“ I would rather travel and take photos and write but I cannot afford that in the real world but I can here on wikisource. Most recently I have traveled back in time to the Aztec and Maya and viewed many sketches of temples and idols of long ago as I learned the history of those regions. Then too is the socialization factors here as we get to know openly and privately each other. I met and became friends with another retired man here and we started working on books together. He lives in another country and in due time he started a project of helping people in Chiapas, Mexico. ”

“ And the community decided way back then to let the push-rollout take place without the option for users to turn it off. The only thing we can do is troubleshoot the problem with an aim to reslove it somehow. For starters, can you breifly describe your OS & browser w/ versions and any wiki specific settings you've enabled. You also mentioned a 'visual editor default' - I don't think you mean the VisualEditor because thats still beta around here so can you expand on exactly what's happening and a specific page that won't let you switch to a desired Dynamic Layout. ”

“ Text files attract less attention than images, for example; but there is more to think about when "adding value". For example "previous" and "next" in sequential works, hyperlinking, interwiki, annotation, different editions, as well as typical metadata, and classification by category and topic. I gave a talk in 2010 on "Reference Commons", a way of conceptualising the role of reference works here. ”

“ More people would be nice but the project seems to actually scare and confuse the Wikipedians that come here (see the coincidentally named "Mentions in the Wikipedia Signpost?" thread above) . Others just don't understand what we do here (I've had real-life conversation in which the Wikipedia apparently thought we were something to do with WP citations) . De-mystifying Wikisource would be useful, although I expect it to be easier said than done. It will hopefully engage users, new and old. ”

“ I had (yet again) the transient error of proofreading status disappear after an edit to a page of the work. This rectified after another edit, but shouldn't have happened at all.
More seriously, look at both page 4 and the first page following the "Adv" pages. The page was "proofread" as "Without Text", but the editor is trying to list that page in Category:Without text, and the Index page for the book is showing the page in pink instead of grey. Something is badly screwed up somewhere, and it's going to really aggravate anyone doing proofreading. ”

“ Let us say that those 300 users have one hour per day to spend on work here. Only so much can be done in that one hour by any person. True, no one has to work on "everything", but while working on one thing then the other works are cast aside. I like to to Proofreading of the Month. I like to work on my personal project/s. ”

“ Hesperian: Sounds doable, with those settings hidden somewhere in user preferences. I think the default for setting #2 should be to let the overrides work. Default layout for people who don't touch their preferences, I'm not sure about. Perhaps we could take a survey of what layout is preferred by people who have actually chosen one or the other? The whole issue with the overrides taking over was unintended, and I don't think anyone wants that behavior. For that matter, Layout 1 was supposed to remain the default layout. (However, I forgot that '1' is the 2nd index in JavaScript.) ”

“ You can now test the new search tool ("CirrusSearch") on all Wikisource, Wiktionary and Wikimedia chapter wikis hosted on Foundation servers. Enable "New search" in your Beta features preferences. There was a bug where notifications were not sent when the signature of the user leaving the message linked to a translated namespace. The problem was fixed in the software and will soon be fixed on Wikimedia sites. You can now use the log-in system for external tools (OAuth) on all Wikimedia wikis that use the unified login. ”

“ In last discussion on this, folks really seemed to love Layout 2 and took "advantage" of the "broken" coding that normally defaulted to Layout 1 instead of the advertised 'last layout applied' by building in the forced Layout feature. Now the question is should we do away with the cookie thing (last layout applied) and just use the forcing of a Layout for those folks who really want to "land" on Layout 2. Either way, better to have Eliyak chime in on this first in case I got something wrong here. ”

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The CommonsMetadata feature was added to all wikis. It creates metadata information about multimedia files (like their license) that can be read automatically by computer programs. It not only works for Commons, but for all wikis, and you can use it for files on your wiki by editing templates used to describe metadata. JavaScript code used on Wikimedia sites is now saved locally on your computer to load faster. ”

“ As the standard becomes more and more refined over time, the chances for less and less of these work-arounds remaining unaffected becomes greater and greater. I can't say for sure that is what is happening here, though there is a lot of @noflip type of stuff associated with border settings in the current file (s) . So unless something in your local css/js files is conflicting with the site-wide files, the problem, again, is most likely load order related (i.e. not getting to those site-wide settings for some reason) . ”

“ To restore your previous state &/or configuration prior to the site-wide switch to the Character Insert gadget, all you need to do is go to your User preferences, navigate to your Gadgets tab, disable CharInsert in the edit-tools section at the top and enable EditTools in the last section (developmental-tools) at the bottom of your User preferences Gadgets page.
Please pick-up this discussion on the relevant talk page for the Character Insert gadget, MediaWiki talk:Gadget-charinsert.js. Improvements, suggestions welcome. Expertise in dealing with specific sets sorely needed as well. ”

“ Proofread to the point that the index can be changed to proofread and fully transcluded those pages. The purpose of 'new texts' is to show content, and to encourage people to read or to contribute. It is not a demonstration of perfection. ”

“ The only thing that has changed is that now the layout selection will remember the last one selected for each user in your cookie. Because a few works force the selection, that gets remembered. Just cycle back through the three until you get to your prefered selection and it will stay. ”

“ These 'shoulds' and 'shouldn'ts' don't lead to a future where I spend hours manually checking each license, and examining each image to determine an appropriate upload format, so that we can all save some bandwidth. They lead to a future where I throw my hands in the air, declare that too many obstacles are being put in my way, and let the project lapse. Hesperian 12:51, 1 December 2013 (UTC) I will make the points again: You should not upload images without a license. ”

“ Where does Wikisource go from here? I have no idea, time will answer that, but I can suggest some situations. The text here, extracted from books and images, can be heard by the blind. My wife is blind and she "reads" here via a professional screen reader. —Maury (talk) 07:10, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Where has Wikisource done well, and where can it improve? Wikisource is just starting! It will grow, and has been growing, as technology grows. People will learn about things they never imagined and will wonder and explore from the impetus started of works done here. ”

“ I believe most people here are presently at work, or learn at work, and apply information over the heads of lay persons. I never had any computer classes nor codes since they came in behind me. I am age 66 years and probably the oldest person here. Youngsters learn new technologies in school and then at work. ”

“ That shouldn't be happening, if I understood Eliyak correctly, unless the pages themselves are forcing Layout 2. The other alternative cause would have to do with your cache settings themselves - do you have 'disable local page cache' enabled in your User: preferences / appearance tab? -- George Orwell III (talk) "Disable browser page caching" is unchecked. I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that I get layout 2 every time I visit a page that I haven't visited for a long time, or at all. ”

“ Personally, I would think nonfiction works, like reference books and histories, are probably the most important, but I personally would love to see some of the old pulp fiction, like in Argosy magazine, or the Shadow, or Doc Savage, or even my namesake readily available for anyone with access to the net here as that material becomes available. ”

“ But still, in creating the contest you may well have multiplied time by bringing others to the challenge with the books you have chosen. Still, remember, for the person who has only one hour per day - must spend that hour on one particular work. ”

“ New users will soon have their user and talk pages added to their watchlist as soon as they create an account. . The new search tool (CirrusSearch) will not show the text of versions of a page that have been hidden. You will soon be able to see the raw HTML created by some wikitext by using the Special:ExpandTemplates tool. Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by MediaWiki message delivery • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. ”

“ Change scan res to 500 gives an image size 500px × 832px (scaled to 705px × 1,173px) So finding that the image is resorting to a fixed size. Previously the scan length paired with the text box, and you could scroll the image, rather than scan the page. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Header & main text clearance In this latest software update, in the Page: namespace in read mode, the clearance between the running header and the main body of text has been reduced so that the header looks to be part of the text. ”

“ Nothing I leave behind in my life is something worthy on an "everyday" basis is as good as the time I have spent on en.ws and en.wp Why carry knowledge to the grave when it, like real life itself, can be applied to building to better the world? ”