Florence Earle Coates

“ Its helpless prey with hideous uproar.
Twice had I lost my footing; yet I clave,
As one who struggles more than life to save—
My every thought of her; but when at last,
Sore bruised and breathless, as one shoreward cast
After rude shipwreck, I dared raise my eyes—
Seeking in that vast Hell my Paradise,—
There, like some virgin image carved in stone,
She stood in her white radiance—alone. ”

“ I understand your point that only one particular dynamic layout is called-up over the others depending on the circumstances at hand, mostly dependent upon the manner in which the content being viewed has come to exist in the main namespace prior to that point in time. I just believe a true default should not only cover those circumstance but all circumstances from the initial arrival on forward until that state of operation is manually altered, changed or selected by the user in some way, shape or form - causing a new pseudo-custom state of operation to replace the automatic one. ”

“ If there's an argument to be made that layout 2 looks crappy on iphones, or that it breaks for xyz browser/OS combination, great, that's helpful information regarding reader experience. That's what should be an end goal: improved reader experience. In the absence of hard data, I'm arguing that readers have spoken and their voice is reflected in a century of printing conventions. So if there's a way to default to shorter line lengths without seriously impairing viewing or customizability for anyone, I don't see a downside. ”

“ Which layout should anonymous users see by default? Until editable as a user preference, which layout should be the default for registered users? I am not suggesting, and nor do I think it wise to suggest, that any user be prevented from choosing any non-default layout. Thus, hard coded line widths are not a good solution. Same thing for templates like Template:USStatCols start.
Nonetheless, our library exists for the sake of readers, not editors. It's foolish for a restaurant owner to say "I don't care if my new customers don't like my food – I like it, and that's what matters." ”

“ I am aware Wikisource doesn't normally accept contributions which are purely reference material, as is the case here. However to the best of my knowledge this is the first time a museum has thought about directly releasing data (rather than media) to a Wikimedia project. I understand the concerns set out in the Inclusion policy, which says...
"Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text. Such information has not been previously published, is often user-compiled and unverified, and does not fit the goals of Wikisource." ”

“ Maybe it's better said like this and here instead of as a link: The ideal line length for text layout is based on the physiology of the human eye... At normal reading distance the arc of the visual field is only a few inches – about the width of a well-designed column of text, or about 12 words per line. Research shows that reading slows and retention rates fall as line length begins to exceed the ideal width, because the reader then needs to use the muscles of the eye and neck to track from the end of one line to the beginning of the next line. ”

“ Layout flexibility is the raison d'etre of HTML, and we're assuming our readers will ignore that, stalwartly refuse to resize their browser windows, and instead look for sidebar buttons that will let them cycle through a limited number of fixed layouts. If the fact that our readers already have fine-grained control over window width and font size can be dismissed as 'the intentions of programmers', what cannot be dismissed in this way? ”

“ I keep it at default; I always have the incoming reader in mind and want to see it how they do; therefore, I always use the full page width layout, although I dislike it. I want to say that again, I have roughly 200-225 characters per line in my browser, and no, I'm not going to change my font setting just so en.ws looks good, and like most people (that at least I am aware of) I keep a full browser open, and not just a portion. Especially with reading a book, visual distractions should be removed, and splitting windows or revealing desktop or other programs is not immersion into the text. ”

“ Default-ing the work to a particular dynamic layout is not really setting an unbiased default now is it? Picking the dynamic layout most appealing to one viewer at the possible expense of other potential viewers never seemed like a good idea and that's pretty much why I wish it was enabled per one's user preferences rather than universally. ”

“ What I mean is that if a work can be better viewed in a particular layout, the user should be able to default that specific work to that layout. I believe that most who migrate here from WP will be used to the width as seen there and not be familiar with the option on the side panel. Maybe even strain their neck and simply think that reading the pdf on google books might be easier. I don't want to compromise my first point though by offering different layouts, yet still defaulting to the full screen one. ”

“ How close the coils of evil round me pressed,
"Till, like some swimmer boastful of his strength
Who dares too far, I faced the truth at length—
Perceived the awful distance I had come,
And, battling back, despaired of reaching home. ”

“ For our ideals make us what we are,—
⁠Through self-effacing years,
Thou, toiling where the burdened city moans,
Hast lost no accent of the higher zones.
⁠Smiles, and the truth of tears,
And memories, and melodies unsung,
Have visited thy heart, and kept it young.
Thou hast had strength, where many failed, to glean
Good from a doubtful harvest; thou hast seen
⁠Light where the shade lay deep.
The future with the present praise must blend
To crown thy triumphs worthily, dear friend ”

“ Careless of gain or profit,
⁠Of markets, or applause,
To yield thy heart to Nature's heart,
⁠To learn her dearer laws;
To gaze beyond the present,—
⁠From the fleeting view of things.
To lift the vision up and up;
To feel the growth of wings ”

“ THE PILGRIM
Once a man set forth at morning,
Journeying with eager footstep,
Onward over fields new-wakened,
Where the dew lay on the blossoms,
Like to softly gleaming opals.
All the earth, refreshed by slumber,
In the early light and tender
Wore a green, benignant beauty ”

“ Peerless and pale, with a rose's breath
At her parted lips, she lay in death.
Her braids were held by a jewelled dart,—
And, where her bodice fell apart,
A jewelled dagger pierced her heart.
To find her foe, men strove in vain ”

“ Were there no hell,—I, for love's sake,
⁠Would toil with ardent willingness.
And if—O Thou that pitiest
⁠The fallen, lone, and tempest-tost!—
If, Love Divine, Thou wilt but save
⁠Whom I do love, none shall be lost! ”

“ The reader can change the font-size, the width, and the layout to their own preference; there are buttons and commands in browsers and modern devices, one popular device only needs to be rotated through 90 degrees to get a 'book view'. When I'm on wide-screen I have the benefit of putting two windows side-by-side, very useful for lots of reasons, though some of that valuable real estate is already taken up with the sidebars of the sister sites ”

“ As far as I can tell, what is advocated is the ability to set a work to a 'default' layout that constrains line width by setting ludicrously wide margins. This approach is, I think we agree, utterly unconventional—convention offers no precedent for such extreme wastage of real estate—so we can dismiss any argument that makes recourse to 'conventional' line widths. Hesperian 03:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC) The difference, of course, is that the wide margins don't cost us anything; if wikimedia ever goes for-profit, we'll be ahead of the curve. ”

“ My brother's face is turned from me;
He sees a thing I must not see,—
Alas! what may the vision be?
His form is wasted as with pain;
A fever feeds upon his brain
Whose fire, extinguished, burns again. ”

“ She full-revealed the sweep of her strong wings,
⁠And gained the suffrage of the grateful earth;
Choosing, as war should from her realms depart,
To give herself to the enduring Art
⁠That was her own at birth. ”

“ Thou hast remained—in spite of all, remained—
⁠That which they made thee—an idealist!
And once again I felt how blest it is
⁠To hunger and to thirst: anew I saw
⁠That by eternal high-appointed law,
Sublimity and beauty most are his
⁠In whom they move the deepest thrill of awe! ”

“ Life grew full sweet of late,—but death is best.
I wanted just this one last quiet hour
To tell you how hope grew fruition's flower,—
Giving me, in a moment, bliss to know,
Beyond what tranquil ages might bestow.
You must not weep, my friend! Consider still
How many lives go frustrate of their will ”

“ If we are afraid of forcing a width on a page for all reasons listed above, then we fundamentally should not be including any images, as they are defined by a pixel width, which will certainly not work on a small phone screen the same way as they do on a wide screen monitor. ”

“ As for the principle: pragmatically, this could represent a "foot in the door" with the museum. Wikimedia UK might be able to build on this to get their other documents (they have microfiche files, perhaps Wikimedia could assist—financially or otherwise—to convert these or scan other documents; both Wikimedia and the museum would benefit from this) . That in turn might attract other volunteers, from Wikipedia and (maybe) Wikimedia UK promotion. However, even considering all of this, my opinion is still very much "maybe" leaning slightly towards yes. ”

“ That mock the lonely on the seas,
⁠He made all else seem vain;
Bringing an aching sense of dearth,
⁠A troubled, vague unrest,
A fear that we, whose care on Earth
Had been to garner things of worth,
⁠Had somehow missed the best. ”

“ And down I sped to offer him
⁠Warm shelter for the night:—
"Come in, come in, thou tender child,
⁠A wanderer from thine own!
Hath all the world abandoned thee,
⁠That thou art thus alone?
Come in, come in! that I straightway
⁠For others may atone!" ”

“ To still with presence kind my pulse's throbbing,
⁠To lay a cooling touch upon my brow.
Tell me thy name! Then, pain and fear forgotten,
⁠I straightway will arise and follow thee,
Who, as I think, art hither come to guide me
⁠To larger hope and opportunity. ”

“ He served in high degree
The people, and they gave him back
⁠Their immortality!
Time careless grows of costly wit,
⁠Brave monuments are quickly gone,—
But that which on the heart is writ
⁠Lives on, and on, and on! ”

“ An instant, as with rapture blind,
He faltered; then, his Lord to find,
⁠⁠Straight to the ether flew,—
Rising where falls no human tear,
Singing where still his song we hear
⁠⁠Piercing the upper blue! ”

“ Tender grass in April springing,
⁠Scent of lilacs wet with rain,
Bluebird jubilantly singing
⁠Snatches of a loved refrain,
Falcon soaring high above me,
⁠Light of stars in deeps divine,
Creeping earth-bound things that move me
⁠To compassion, ye are mine! ”

“ The only loser is the user who wants to "enforce" and override everyone's settings. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC) Well, according to this website, we can set page width using the width of a capital M (em) which can finely tune to a specific character/word count per line. Also, every source I've seen suggests a a much smaller width then what generally occurs upon using our default. IMO, it is certainly our responsibility to present our work in an optimal format; why spend so much time working on this if it is difficult to read? This page is an example with using em's for width ”

“ Deep in my heart a voice answers,
Healing the sense of unworth,
Whispering comfort:—
"Love takes no counsel of prudence;
Wherefore men, timid and doubting,
Marvelling oft at his choice,
Charge him with blindness ”

“ Red poppies, which the elves for torches burn,—
⁠But for my own I choose—the asphodel."
Indignant stared the children; then they cried—
⁠Amid their pastime ready still for strife—
"The asphodel! You only choose through pride
⁠A flower you never saw in all your life!" ”

“ I don't disagree that the browser/HTML combination offers amazing flexibility. My point is that while computer geeks the world over will tell you how "trivial" something is, and how easy it is to completely customize your software experience, I contend that most users don't do it and won't do it. Neither are they likely to click a layout button in the sidebar – hence this discussion about the default. Of course, I don't have data, only anecdote, so we're at an impasse ”

“ And I, who could not ask whence sprung his sorrow
⁠Responsive to a grief I might not know,
Sobbed as the infant that each mood doth borrow
⁠Sobs for the mother's woe.
Wild grew my voice and stormy, with his passion,
⁠Lifted at last unto a tragic might ”