“ Here is the other side Integration with libraries will require the development of code to transform wikidata into MARC records, automatically retrieve the data from Wikisource, and link it in local catalogs. This is something that libraries will need to pay for. While Wikisource does offer the possibility of replacing expensive paid databases, volunteers have limitations. The catalog of Wikisource is quite small and it’s impossible to tell volunteers that they must work on something. There are vast chasms is the offering of Wikisource. Wikisource needs more accessible features. ”

“ Librarians don’t necessarily make good Wikisource users. While the librarians of the National Library of Scotland have done an absolutely fantastic job of importing and mostly proofreading the Scottish Chapbooks, too many of them remain untranscluded or without images. In the end, I believe that Wikisource has a lot to offer to libraries, but libraries also need to give back. Provide development funding. ”

“ I believe that hiring workers from a low-salary English-speaking country would just lead to a ton of badly, proofread texts that would wind up burdening the Wikisource community. Therefore, undergraduates stand-out as the best possible labor source. In the US, undergraduates earn between $10-15 an hour. Therefore, to digitize one book will cost between $150-$300 USD. Federal law prohibits most undergraduates from working more than 20 hours a week. ”

“ As a broad category, non-scan backed works must be considered as junk and no library will want to incorporate them into their catalog. Therefore, any library importer will need to separate scan-backed works from non-scan backed work. Wikisource is committed to open-data access. Therefore, it’s possible to download the raw wikitext of a given Index. ”

“ Languageseeker (talk) 05:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC) I really think that it would be useful to get some potential libraries to articulate what their needs are to have an understanding what is needed in terms of additional work on top of proofreading and transclusion (e.g. preparing for export onto devices, additional metadata needed, whether they want to merge back the proofread text as a text layer, etc.) , areas which could use more people helping to drive them forward. ”

“ The edition is born digital, so the text version is a good a source as any and more easily Wikified. Still, my general opinion stands that copying PG works without scans is not very useful, since PG is very much still a thing, and Wikisource can do better than being a very limited and incomplete backup of PG. We can just link out to an existing PG work if we really cannot find a scan. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 20:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC) yeah, we need to go find the first edition scans. and provenance seems not to be a priority at PG. it will be a long term quality improvement task. ”

“ There is no new MediaWiki version this week. Future changes
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“ The user is a temporary concept, the author of literary texts is forever. If required, I can request VTRS permission confirming that the illustrations belong to the author of the text posted on Wikisourse. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:38, 11 November 2021 (UTC) @Виктор Пинчук: If you want to have an edition of your articles that has extra images and videos, or which omits the "grunge text", there are other websites on which you can do that. On English Wikisource, however, we only welcome editions that are faithful to the original publication. ”

“ I never made an argument about style: I made one about semantics. Proper semantics help structure information in web pages (e.g.) for search engines or screen readers, etc. Why are pages enhanced by removing semantic elements? Why is 1923 different from all other years? ”

“ Should we null-edit all index pages by a bot? Ankry (talk) 20:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC) There's no need: this kind of update is specifically designed to be able to happen transparently on next save. If there was a technical need to migrate storage formats, it would be done directly with a database upgrade script, and should be done for all Wikisources. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 21:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC) Tech News: 2021-46
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. ”

“ While it is easy to talk about doing cool things with works once proofread, it takes a large amount of additional work when there is a large backlog of existing stuff to do on the proofreading infrastructure side. MarkLSteadman (talk) 10:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC) Open Library has been accepting wikidata ids for a while now and lately, I see that it has a spot for wikisource as well. Open Library and Internet Archive are related enough that the same login works for both.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC) The problem is that Open Library does not offer a MARC export either? ”

“ Translation redirects I notice that {{translation redirect}} has been deleted. What's the current consensus on linking mainspace to Translation space? Is it an exception to WS:CSD M3: Cross-namespace redirects - if so can we update the deletion policy accordingly? Or do we prefer to leave the work title redlinked in mainspace? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
IMO, cross-namespace redirects from Main→Translation, as well as Author→Portal when the person has been "portallifed" and Main→Portal for periodicals and similar without any mainspace content (yet) should all be allowed. ”

“ Why do you think 1923 is different from every other year? —Justin (koavf) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:56, 13 November 2021 (UTC) So, you are fine with an absence of visible bullets? What you are arguing for is invisible formatting because. . . . ? Is there any reason for making the change in terms of Wikisource? Is this a desire to impose a specific format on a select group of working pages alone? --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:11, 13 November 2021 (UTC) @EncycloPetey: You obviously did not look at this edit or the one prior to it or else you would not be asking this question. ”

“ Config changes generally need some level on community support, so please support (or oppose) below. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 10:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
This is now deployed: users not-logged in can now see the "next/prev/index" links in the page namespace. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 12:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC) Category:Pages with illegal formatting in header fields "Illegal" is a very strong word. Who decided that certain formatting is "illegal" in header fields? ”

“ That said, I don't think they need to be specifically militated against other than to avoid people wasting their own time. I don't think it damages the meaning of scan backing in general, any more than painting a racing stripe on a Fiat Punto damages the meaning of a GT 350. People will just wonder what you're smoking. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 17:17, 19 November 2021 (UTC) I don't think we should be confusing the terminology here--if it's backed by a "scan" that's actually a PDF from PG, it's not really scan-backed. ”

“ Inductiveload—talk/contribs 12:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC) @Billinghurst: The High Mountains is a red link. If I have a work and I want to link it to "The High Mountains", I will just put The High Mountains and assume that no one has added this work yet. If I upload a work called "The High Mountains", I will put it at The High Mountains and not bother to disambiguate. Why would I check to see if Translation:The High Mountains exists? Why would anyone? ”

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Middle-click-to-toggle between zoom and scroll (also adds Ctrl/Shift scroll actions) phab:T296079. Input is still sought on the ideal user experience for scroll/panning at that Phabricator issue or here. No concrete positive (i.e. what people would like to see) suggestions have yet been made. ”

“ Perhaps you could put extra images on the Talk page, or on your User page, and put a link to it in the work header? (Not in the work itself) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:52, 11 November 2021 (UTC) @Beleg Tâl:The Wikisourse administrator is not a bot: he should not blindly follow the rules, but should consider each case individually. In this case, the author has not died yet. For example, in the Russian version of Wikisource, I illustrate my articles with author's videos. Of course, they were not in the paper version: video can't be printed in a newspaper. ”

“ Inductiveload—talk/contribs 17:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC) M&S (Phe-Bot) is Stuck It seems that the poor match-and-split bot got stuck. Could someone give it a nudge? Languageseeker (talk) 06:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
@Languageseeker (CC MarkLSteadman) : There was an unplanned network outage on WMCS and Toolforge yesterday, so multiple tools hosted there may need a kick to come back alive (Toolforge tools run on a job grid with NFS-mounted home directories; when the network goes, everything breaks and often can't recover without being restarted) . ”

“ I was looking for copies of them on Hathitrust and Internet Archive that would have been actual book scans, but I could not find any other thna the Gutenberg copies. I'm not sure what people will decide on them. SurprisedMewtwoFace (talk) 20:07, 8 November 2021 (UTC) I think if you have to use a PG edition, the PDF is not adding anything except complexity. ”

“ Also to reference mw:Strip marker which explains that MediaWiki software adds elements that look and act like XML tags. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC) @Languageseeker: page numbers should now be enabled in an Wikisource or User namespace page with "Sandbox" in the title. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 11:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC) Academic journal articles with a "Digital object identifier" What is the status for journal articles with a "Digital object identifier" (DOI) the index page does not appear to support this field? ”

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I agree, it was a bad idea. ”

“ I have added the missing images to Translation:God is One... in 200 Persons. Please note that Wikisource is not a platform for publishing new versions of these works with new images - we expect works on Wikisource to be faithful to the scans of the original publication. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 02:56, 9 November 2021 (UTC) ^^^ @Beleg Tâl: What about this? Multimedia content added to texts can greatly improve the quality and presentation. ”

“ Do other contributors on Wikisource have suggestions on specific 'adventures' that are worth including in the list, suitable for a general audience, but are sub-genres not covered by those already in the list? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
The scans for Pompeii in first edition are here: IA. Scott's Count Robert of Paris is set in Byzantium. We also could scan back the actual novel from Ancient Rome by Apuleius. Marius the Epicurean is another novel set in Rome. MarkLSteadman (talk) 10:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC) Comment Whist "lirst" [sic.] are you asking about? ”

“ But this link doesn’t work, because I haven’t "author's website". May be use for this aim page "Discussion"? —Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC) P.S. For example, here: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_talk:Notes_of_an_international_tramp&action=edit&redlink=1 —Виктор Пинчук (talk) 10:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC) New image viewer (aka OpenSeadragon) As mentioned in the last Tech News, there is a new image viewer, based on the very capable OpenSeadraon viewer, which was deployed yesterday (should have been Wednesday but there was some unrelated blockage) . ”