“ The annual votes would also be announced through Wikisource News, and the results announced there upon completion.
Allowing users to initiate an unscheduled vote could indeed be used as a harassment tactic. However, an administrator who is trusted would have no trouble passing a vote despite that user's harassment, particularly if the user is not established and thus has no weight in the vote. As a measure against such harassment, we could require arguments in favour from the nominating user, and require that at least two other users support the need for a vote. ”

“ On Sherurcij's idea of the one-liners, I quite like the idea but I think it'd be better suited to some types of source than others & could introduce an element of selective bias into the sources we present (eg poetry is more likely to have snappy one-liners that'll draw attention than non-fiction; speeches have snappy one-liners but are frequently either too long or make no sense out of context; mathematical sources, election data & court rulings/laws are out of the picture entirely) . ”

“ One year after an administrator's original election, a poll would be opened to confirm that they still have the community's trust. Established users would have the ability to express any opposition, although all users are welcome to comment and make their opinion known. Administrators inactive for a period of six months would automatically lose administrator access, but be able to apply again through the normal process at any time. ”

“ I like the proposal also. Though I agree with Zhaladshar that it will be difficult to remember when individual admins are due for a vote, I see two problems with votes of no confidence. First, how transparent will the process be? Will new users have the knowledge that the process exists and have the info on how to initiate a vote? Second, how do we prevent someone who just has a fued with the admin for calling for votes of no confidence as a harrasment tactic? ”

“ Ordinary users don't have those tools simply because of the damage they can cause in the wrong hands. But when a user shows that he has a good sense of judgement and makes positive contributions to the wiki, he should be given those tools. ”

“ Before we can accept the work, confirmation of permission should be emailed to [email protected]. The works must be released under a license compatible with the Gnu Free Documentation License, as described by the copyright policy. Please note that permission for Wikisource only is not acceptable; the work must be equally useable by redistributors of our content. Finally, please note that our inclusion guidelines require that works be previously published in some medium involving peer review (published books or magazines, important speeches, et cetera) . ”

“ The input form would probably be similar to that of listips (another tool) , albeit better documented and with more options.
The script is intended to surpass other similar tools available in terms of:
user-friendliness and simplicity of use; conformance to Wikisource conventions; extended options for experienced users; Much greater variety of accepted format on a single page; open source code with full documentation; open development (suggestions, examples, and code from editors all welcome) . ”

“ I'm not deterred by the fact that we only have 2 at the moment as we have to start somewhere & once those go live it'll provide the impetus for others to start working on other portals. I don't see portals as replacing the lists of sources like Portal:Speeches but as supplementing them (at least for the speeches portal) , though I think having links from the main page would be a good idea as the portals can be like little min-main pages for the various sections introducing people to our holdings & trying to dragoon them into helping out. ”

“ The need for this was proved recently on Hebrew Wikipedia, and has been becoming evident on English Wikipedia too. In such a case, I lean towards saying that an admin should require a supermajority to remain, i.e. only those who are using their tools positively in the eyes of most of the community. ”

“ Content and layout The new header box replaces Wikisource.png and the page title "Main Page". The new section "Main categories" and the list of portals replace the lists of major topics, genres, periods, and types, as well as the index of authors. The subheader index links replace the current inline lists of links. The blurb about Wikisource is slightly rewritten. New section "Featured text" (pending a seperate proposal for featured texts) . Design The inline bold titles are replaced with brown heading boxes. The purple box is now white. ”

“ We have a categorisation system which organises works by genre, subject, and type, along with less used (and arguably less useful) categories by country, language, original language, and license. I don't think manually organising them by publisher as well is useful. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC) I see the usefulness of this. For example if we had all the public domain National Geographics on Wikisource. Such a page for National Geographic Magazine would be quite useful. Maybe "publisher" isn't the best term to use. ”

“ It is common practice for websites to claim copyright over everything they contain, even public domain material. As there is no penalty to anyone for falsely claiming such copyright, it generally considered easier to make such claims than to undertake the work of sorting everything out. This a regular practice even when people are aware they could not backup any such claims. At any rate I will bring this up with people who are actually lawyers and find out what they think.--BirgitteSB 16:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC) Ok, thanks a lot - that makes sense. ”

“ It seems I'm pouring gloom & problems on everything, that's not my intention I'm just thinking though possible problems & difficulties we may face, it's not enough just to design a new main page we need to be as sure as we can that we've thought through the implications of any changes we make & can cope with the future demands arising from those changes. ”

“ While one of the functions of the main page is to welcome visitors, new users, and inexperienced users, I believe that veteran Wikimedians should be able to find the most recent goings-on at WS (assuming we promote WS:NEWS from its proposal phase) . Over all, good work. I really like this design.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 02:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Excellent Much better. We must take care we do not lose useful link on the old page, though. As an example Other digital libraries needs a home somewhere, probably on the Community portal. ”

“ I see the portal bringing together manual pages and categories into a nice blend that will complement each other. But I still think that most of the very broad Wikisource pages (e.g., Wikisource:Fiction) would be better off as Portal:Fiction, where we link from that pages to more specific manual and category pages.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 15:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Announcements Checkuser permissions Voting has begun at WS:ADMIN to request Checkuser perimssions. Wikimedia policy is there must be community support for at least two people for this access to be granted to any. ”

“ A solution to this problem is to change to rendering of the PNGs. Wikia, formerly WikiCities, has a version of the TeX renderer that makes the equation more compact, more, in fact, like the original EB1911.
A proposal has been put forward on Bugzilla to provide this renderer to WS, in addition to the existing version, perhaps using tags like NEW STYLE EQUATION, and I have added a comment and a vote to this. If anyone else thinks that this is a good idea, please add you voice to those at the Bugzilla page: (you need to register, but it take less than a minute) Bugzilla Bug 4915. ”

“ Together facing the new totalitarianism to Wikisource but I'm not sure what the copyright legalities are to do so. How might I go about determining if this particular text can be legally added to Wikisource? Thanks in advance, Netscott 23:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
First you find the original source of the text. You might try getting hold of the person who orginally added it to help you. Then you need to find out the copyright status which hopefully will be stated on the original source. Please be sure you find out the copyright for both the French text and the English translation. ”

“ I agree Wikisource:poetry is very poor, and unlikely to get better unless there is a major drive to improve it, categories may work for it but it shouldn't be assumed they'll work well for everything. AllanHainey 15:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC) And I'm not. I have a distinct hatred of categories. But manually upkeeping WS:POETRY will never work. Too much poetry is added too quickly (it's a hot topic here--speeches are added far more slowly and in more moderation) for the manual page to be of any help. ”

“ AllanHainey 15:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC) A speech is only copyrighted if it is fixed in tangible form. That means it can be copyrighted if the sound is recorded, if someone is videoed giving the speech or if someone takes down the text of the speech in written form. However note that in many jurisdictions the people who give speeches have a right to refuse permission to record a speech under the concept of performers' rights. ”

“ Fair use of copyrighted speeches is not acceptable. However, most speeches are not copyrighted, or are copyrighted without restrictions. I suggest these fair use speeches be considered on a case-by-case basis, unless their license is clearly incompatible with our license. Many may be available under a free license, or may be made available by requesting permission from the copyright holders. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 15:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC) I don't assert that these speeches are 'fair use', in the U.S.A. copyright law sense at any rate. ”

“ But I'd prefer not to display any text/template/message above the header template if we can avoid it.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 02:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC) The problem with the icon in the corner is that readers have no idea what it means, and most probably won't even notice it. Those icons are mostly intended for advanced editors, users who are familiar with the workings of the community. Since we accept anonymous edits, we should make the template immediately noticeable, but small and out of the way. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 03:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC) I prefer the padlock as well. ”

“ In regards to Birgitte's comment above mine, yes, I'm working on a script that's very similar to the one that powers enwiki's {{bibleverse}}, only that actually works with the Bible/Genesis/1/1 etc format. I could run it outside of the toolserver, but it would be painful on my bandwidth if it were to become regularly used. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 07:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Hi, in response to Jude: What you describe (having Bible/Genesis pick up text from from Bible/Genesis/1) is basic transclusion. ”

“ Links are great for for those reading online, but we need to be sure the info stays with printed copies as well.--BirgitteSB 16:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC) I'm not all that enthused about adding another parameter to the template, especially when it will mean having to go back and re-edit thousands of pages and the only information we're adding is the copyright status of the work (which in about 90% of the works, they are PD) . If we decide to implement this, I'll of course use it, but I'm neutral.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 01:52, 26 April 2006 (UTC) I am referring to {{header}}, not {{process header}}. ”

“ We need to organize somehow, since we don't just want them to be hanging around as orphaned pages. If someone has an alternative proposal I'd be glad to hear it. - illy 17:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC) Author pages are useful for users who wish to read works from a particular author; publisher pages would not be useful in the same way, since they merely distribute the works, and many publishers can distribute the same work at various points. ”

“ The issue this query relate to is discused on Talk:Cast off the Yoke of Bondage. Any comment on that page would be welcome too. AllanHainey 07:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't have a problem putting it in the "notes=" parameter on the main page. It should not be in the body text by any means though. However, I don't think it's necessary at all. As we are collecting source texts, everything will be POVed in some direction. We should not "balance" them out--that will destroy the entire purpose of the work. ”

“ Thanks. AllanHainey 07:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Reading the dates from the author template would require a new extension to Pathosbot. There are a few other extensions I want to write when I have time, so it may be a while before I get around to that. I think Bookofjude is writing a new bot to tag pages without the author or header template; he may be willing to expand that bot to cover the task. ”

“ Pathoschild (talk/map) 16:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Summer's coming up in a week, and I'll have plenty of time to write a draft then. I agree, a global policy on voting, covering everything, would be great.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 16:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Too big a deal? I am a big believer that being an administrator should not be a big deal. What this means that that an administrator is given certain tools to help build the wiki (deletion, protection, banning, etc.) ”

“ There are now works in German, English and French. Free Culture is moved there. Yann 19:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I have added it at Wikisource:Other digital libraries --BirgitteSB 03:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC) This could be a problem... I normally associate the name "Wikilivres" with a Wikimedia project, http://fr.wikibooks.org --Kernigh 19:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Community templates Hi there, I've just created Wikisource:Template_messages/Community, mainly because I couldn't find a welcome template anywhere - but found it (with a bit of help :-) ) , and added it here. ”