“ While sheep-shearing may be a common thing there it certainly isn't here. I have never seen sheep-shearing except once on television much less chasing them on horseback which I have never seen nor even heard of. These items on rabbits, horses and many things of New Zealand are about a far away place for the people of the world which is what we are dealing with. ”

“ Southerners used the Bible to excuse slavery because the Bible has slavery in it and the Bible states nothing against slavery. Northerners kept the southerners agitated over slavery and that too assisted in creating war between north and south. ”

“ All language communities are very important in Wikisource. We would like to propose a Wikisource User Group, which would be a loose, volunteer organization to facilitate outreach and foster technical development, join if you feel like helping out. This would also give a better way to share and improve the tools used in the local Wikisources. You are invited to join the mailing list 'wikisource-l' (English) , the IRC channel #wikisource, the facebook page or the Wikisource twitter. As a part of the Google Summer of Code 2013, there are four projects related to Wikisource. ”

“ While most authors will have just a few letters, and therefore the list of works in the Author Page will be short, others will have dozens, and Swift will have hundreds. When there are so many, do we still want them all to show on the Author Page? Or should a separate page be created to contain the list? And if so, how do I create that separate page? ”

“ Hi Susan, by all means remove the "transcription project" tag for the proofread & transcluded works. It's really there to encourage people to do a little proofreading. Once a work has been transcluded, then the link to the source is available more logically from the work. The green symbol (and any of the companions , , in the series) are an old way to indicate how complete a work is. Now that we've got the Proofread extension, they're being phased out here. ”

“ Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC) In other words, when the software is updated, but someone got it wrong, we have temporary disruption of formatting. This can happen with any tag or template as the software is updated. Right now, page numbers that float in the transclusion of works do not link back to the source page, as they should and as they used to do. Right now, more often than not, they lead to the Main Page. Or, not so long ago, our entire proofreading system went wonky for a day. We're always going to have bugginess whenever something gets updated. ”

“ Yes, while the letters from other authors are in the works of Swift, they need to be on the relevant author pages. In the Dictionary, I've got an author who wrote one small article about his father, and he'll have an author page.
This is a group of volunteers who are working on things that interest us as indiviudals. If you "have" to work on something that you find boring, then you won't stay and we don't want that. Sure, at some point it would be nice to have the "life" (if only because it will complete the 19 volume set) , but someone will come along at some point and deal with it. ”

“ My Heavens what a difference like working in the dark and suddenly the sunshine breaks through. I have another ship book I am working on and I have been working (my computer hard drive) on many images of ships--trying to get them as perfect as possible and I can imagine what that will look like--similiar to an earlier book on ships I completed. What a difference! Now I love transclusions as opposed to always working with those squares of yellow for proofread and green for validated.... ”

“ Is there a Create an Author Page button somewhere?
2. Some of the authors do not have entries in Wikipedia, and are not mentioned in the letters, footnotes, or Life of Swift contained in the Swift volumes. Is it okay to create an Author Page with just the first name, last name, and era?
3. I have found that transclusion sometimes needs to be done in the correct order -- generally from the volume index instead of clicking on the Next Work button while looking at the previous work -- or the works do not register as being complete from the volume index. ”

“ I am not Beeswaxcandle but here is a tip for running headers. (1) You can use rh instead of typing in or using that long "Running Header" which leaves you more space to place a long page title in. (2) You worked on page 12. Look at another even page number like page 10. Copy page 10 but place your information in there for the page topic. If you do this your rh (running header) will be correct. Remember this short cut when needed. Try to get a validated page though (colored green) when possible to make sure the other person is correct. ”

“ Or should I just search the various tables of contents for works that do not exist in Wikisource?
Also, the letters in these volumes are to, from, and about Swift. For example, Alexander Pope wrote a letter to a woman named Mrs. Whitelaw who often stayed with Swift when he was dying. It makes sense to include it in the group of letters to and from Swift, but should it also be on the Alexander Pope page? Do we need to create author pages for people not usually sought, such as Mrs. Whitelaw, because she is the author of letters to and about Swift? ”

“ Any ideas the south came up to defend herself against the invaders the north could use and duplicate and then improve many times over. The north at the beginning of that war could not fight -- or ride horses -- as well as southerners which was what the south hoped for with a quick victory. ”

“ The northern states had lots of immigrants coming in and needed no slaves so they sold their slaves to southern states. The northern states were wrong to Invade the southern states and create war and they did not do it just because of slavery. ”

“ But more so to see sheep in Virginia in 50 years I have never seen sheep-sheering much less a contest on it--except on television. All places have their means of survival and not all are the same and those who are destitute do not have a good means of survival. ”

“ I see that this is in Not Proofread status, but why is this then a good example?
But I have a much bigger question. I can see how to create labels for each section (whether it be a chapter, letter, or other type of section) . I can see where the labels and the end mark (####) go in the pages. But how do I then create the section itself? I see how the format of the header for the page works. For example, I can see the way you prepared one of the letters in the Letters of Jonathan Swift that I've been working on. ”

“ There is a break in the middle of a paragraph at page 312-313. The word "defence" was a hyphenated word, so there should not be a break before the word, right?
While I'm writing, I have a question about something that is more a curiosity than a problem. I notice that sometimes when I've transcluded a chapter, the original page numbers appear on the left, and sometimes they don't. Sometimes I see them only after editing, and sometimes only when returning to a chapter that I've already done, but I haven't been able to detect a pattern of what causes them to appear or disappear. ”

“ Although you still need to do the disambiguation for the multiple letters "from" or "to" the same people. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC) I'm not sure what you did to fix it. I saw that you moved some of the codes from the Mainspace to the header and footer -- is that all that was needed? I'm going to need to do it the same way for the other two volumes. And yes, I've been trying to figure out what will be necessary for the transclusion of all of these letters. Not only are there duplicates of sender-recipient combinations, but sometimes they appear on the same page. ”

“ The North messed up bad at the beginning because one man saved the north from all British forces from invading from England itself but also from Canada dropping down on the northern USA as the confederates marched upward. ”

“ I am old but may learn quickly I must apologize because I am old and am the only person I know of my age who uses a computer for anything besides email. I love to write and began editing Wikipedia articles. I am writing the biography of a Dead Poet and wanted to add to his Wikipedia entry in case I die before I finish his story. It has taken much work locating his poetry and I would like to put more poems in this Wikisource place. ”

“ The edition we have in the scans is the 1791 Third edition. I've just looked for a First or Second edition, but can't find one. I assume that Inductiveload did the same and ended up with the Third edition as the earliest they could find. There is no problem with adding another edition—as long as it is substantially different to the main scan-backed edition—but it will need to be disambiguated in the title. With respect to your copy/paste question: we always prefer scan-backed text. If there is no scan available, then a copy/paste from Project Gutenberg is acceptable. ”

“ I'll see if I can find a bit of time away from A Dictionary of Music and Musicians, which is swallowing most of my attention at the moment, and do the first page of the Vol 13 Contents for you. That will give you a starting point.Now, your questions. The copy of Gulliver's Travels we have isn't backed by a scan, so transcribing this copy is worth it for that reason alone. I suspect the other works are in a similar position. However, focusing initially on the works we don't hold is a way to fill in the gaps and we/you can always return to the others later. ”

“ First, it's not clear that the volume numbers remain the same from edition to edition. I tend to think that Thomas Sheridan was the editor who included the translations in the 13th volume, but it could be John Nichols or some other editor instead. Second, the editor was not necessarily the translator of the letters, and nothing documents the name of the translator anywhere in the translations. With this uncertainty, should I even include the translator in the transclusion header? If I do, should I indicate the translator to be Thomas Sheridan, John Nichols, or Unknown? ”

“ This can allow multiple museums to be created or even better Wikimedia with the help of donations or sponsors can start actual museums on various topics using information from Wikipedia, Wikisource, Commons and all the Wikimedia projects'. He would like to be involved as much as possible and can be contacted on his Message Wall at Biblicalapedia or [email protected]. This has also been posted on Billinghurst talk page and Scriptorium. ”

“ Here is an example: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Works_of_the_Rev._Jonathan_Swift,_Volume_7.djvu/168. I've been including the bracket in the transcription, mainly because I bothered to learn how. :-) However, I am not satisfied with the look (I don't like the space between the body and the tail -- and the 4-line bracket is worse) , and I'm not sure that it's really necessary or desired in the final version. What do you think? Leave the brackets in? Can you improve my coding so that the bracket is smooth? ”

“ Then the cleaned images already on Commons would show a contrast of before and after just as all of our works do. This shows out work best. Ugly FILE but changed to clean file which is what we do here. imho, the uglier the FILE we re-work, the more the contrast what was and what we can do to better all WS books. Anyhow, I want to get started tonight so I will log off now to do this project. No watermarks will be on the cleaned images if that is what you are asking! Our projects are often a "beauty (beautiful images) and the beast (ugly Google watermarks) " situation. ”

“ Hi Susan, wait until all the pages are proofread, then list the work at Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/validation works#Queued. This will alert me and anyone else watching this page that the work is ready for validating. I try to keep a fiction work in the "running" list at all times (along with a science work, a short work and something else) . For the number of pages, just give a rough approximation of how many pages need to be validated. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC) Will do, and thank you. ”

“ Beatles Song for July 4th, 2013 - "It was Twenty-years Ago Today.." WOW! You do transclusions as if it were only child's play. Thank you many times over!! The works look so much better, so pleasing to the eye, so perfect when transcluded as opposed to many proofread but unvalidated yellow squares to stare at for ever so long. Beez, come this July 4th, I will have been placing books and websites on internet for 20 years and almost on a daily basis. Websites are gone when one stops paying an ISP but here work gets archived and hopefully for many generations. ”

“ Real life is paying me too much attention and I keep forgetting to respond when I do have a chance. A way to include the Voltaire letter on the Volume 13 page would be to use {{Auxiliary Table of Contents}} after the transcluded list. I know I've seen them both used together on a mainspace page recently, but I can't remember which one so that you can see an example. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC) But what about the contract that requires you to offer me immediate help? Oh, that's right -- there isn't one! Your help is always worth waiting for. ”

“ We try to not go beyond four if we can avoid it. I would also suggest that the sections in allcaps are changed to title case. This makes it easier for links from outside this work to link to it.Daniel, with respect to wikilinking from the index to a title partway through a page, Clockery is on the mark with anchors. Check out A treasury of war poetry, British and American poems of the world war, 1914-1919, where anchors have been extensively used. Each of the sections (England, Scotland, ...) has its own sub-page, with all the poems in the section running one after the other. ”

“ The northern states had masses of immigrants that needed a job so they joined the usarmy and were sent to fight the people of the south. The south was overwhelmed with those millions of immigrants invading them. ”