“ Music question Is there ever a time that a musical note is notated (if that's the correct word) but not played? For example, the second "g" in the following:Audio playback is not supported in your browser. You can download the audio file. If so, how would one "program" coding to make the note "play" silent? Apologies if I'm not clear. Also, I would like to try transcribing Chopin's Nocturne to Wikisource using a file from IA. Being that it contains no lyrics, is that something WS would include? If so, would you recommend LilyPond or ABC? ”
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“ The choice is with you to act on that warning and take more care over ensuring that you don't leave faulty template calls on pages (whether in progress or proofread) , or to continue on blithely leaving them for other editors to clean up later.With respect to "perfect" transcriptions: while that would be lovely, we are realistic enough to know that we can't achieve that 100% of the time. However, we should be able to achieve between 90% and 95%, or even 98%. When any of us spot something missed and fix it, then we bring the book and the site closer to the 100%. ”
“ This page at IMSLP has some recordings of the E♭ major Nocturne listed in the first half of the page. In the second half are some scores that have been scanned. The clearest is the second from the bottom of the page, but some of the editorial bits mean that copyright is legitimately claimed. There is a first edition scan of the complete Nocturnes on this page (the first of the Scores) . This is Chopin's original approved publication of the Nocturnes (1833) and is the closest to what you need. I've attempted some answers to your questions on your sandbox. ”
“ For what it's worth I put a version in my sandbox space as - User:ShakespeareFan00/statute-p which I am breaking up into smaller templates, However, I am not motivated to continue to do that if the entire approach is wrong.. (And in any case the split up version leads to a lot more calls to handle each template which is a performance hit.) ”
“ We are happy to lead, though we cannot do all the legwork. We need for users to learn and to adapt their efforts when they are shown the community style. If you have questions then please do ask them, WS:Scriptorium/Help is a supportive environment.The project is not looking to be a copy and paste of other people's transcription efforts, we are looking to add works that can be proofread and validated. ”
“ Trying not to be high maintenance, but another question. Last year I wrote lyrics to Chopin's Nocturne Op 9 No 2. In my sandbox, I set the lyrics (in "la-la-la" form) to the Lily Pond sheet music, substituting my lyrics for the "la-la" lyrics in edit/preview mode and copied/saved the page images to create a pdf file of sheet music. Ideally, I would like to upload the piece to IA for PD use. My concerns:Can I freely use Lily Pond-generated sheet music images for PD use? and if so, I would like to seek your permission to place the work in PD—being a primary contributor to the project ”
“ Inlining with a font change would not necessarily be understandable. So far the approaches are the Sidenotes approach ( which breaks on long sidenotes which are close together) and won't necessarily work on mobiles, The marginnote approach which won't necessarily work on mobile, or the combine and link approach, which so far you have expressed as being cryptic (I would say the same about the line font chnage method.) ”
“ The onus is on the uploader/contributor to ensure that a work meets all requirements. This includes adding header, license and source. We don't summarily delete works without a license. Tagging a contribution with that template puts it into a category for an experienced editor to investigate. If there's a problem, then a discussion would be held to see if anyone else can find something. "not collaborative"? au contraire. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:26, 26 March 2017 (UTC) comment -- good to know, but that is NOT what the template says. ”
“ The template logic when split up does not seem as complex, so unless I am misunderstanding something I have this concern that the original was being judged for complexity purely on size, this is not a good omen. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:15, 4 June 2018 (UTC) (e/c) Complexity of a template is not about size ({{ts}} is not exactly small—or simple) ; it's about ease of use and understanding. That said, the key is "how does the transcluded text look in mainspace?" I don't care if something looks ugly in the Page: namespace—provided it looks good to the reader in mainspace. ”
“ Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC) Interesting, because the species name is the more important item to the taxonomy people, and that is the thing that is being cropped. They did not mention not cropping information, but they also were not the people providing the guidelines for commons images. I always make a nice "Plate" version for the plant people, at least almost always. ”
“ Next, you need to upload the .djvu file to Commons. At the bottom of my page User:Beeswaxcandle/Works you'll find a link that shortcuts the uploading process a little. Open that link in a new browser tab, click the "log in" link in the pink bar at the top, then authorise Commons to talk to Internet Archive on your behalf. The page will reload with a green bar in place of the pink bar. In the first box put "boytravellersinf01knox" and in the second box put "Boy Travellers in the Far East Part 3" and click "Get metadata". Fill in the fields to the best of your ability. ”
“ Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2017 (UTC) Yes, the tied second g should not sound again, but merely lengthen the dotted crotchet (quarter note) . I don't know ABC, so can only recommend Lilypond. I find that it does a reasonable job of turning a transcription into a audible file. However, what Lilypond does very well is the score output. I have no problems with enWS having some scores—particularly if there is a reason associated with another transcription project. Here's I would do the first phrase in Lilypond:Audio playback is not supported in your browser. ”
“ I will plan to move the file to Commons unless someone else does before I do. Mox La Push (talk) 07:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Score proofreading i salute your singular determination on score editing. i gave up after trying a single voice. this is a big hole in digitized content: lots in pdf or out of print, and people still scrambling with xerox copies. would you consider a wikimania lightening talk or hackathon pitch. if we could find a coder to create a visual editor interface, it could reduce the learning curve. we could recruit some choir minded editors ”
“ To opt-out of future surveys, send an email through EmailUser feature to WMF Surveys. You can also send any questions you have to this user email. Learn more about this survey on the project page. This survey is hosted by a third-party service and governed by this Wikimedia Foundation privacy statement. WMF Surveys, 00:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC) Typos in original Hello Beeswaxcandle, I am pretty much a newbe in Wikisource. I created this entry, and I have a question about it: what do we do when there is a typo of clear error in the original text? ”
“ Firefox 52.0.2 (32 bit) on Windows 7 is my main browser for Wikisource. However, the problems in the weekend were happening in IE8 (Windows) and whatever the latest version of Safari is on the iMac as well. Note that it was specific to the Page: namespace. While I occasionally have slow page loading that's normal in a household with an inveterate internet video watcher. They go to bed and my connection speeds up. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Thanks for the reply. Essentially we have the identical setup, both OS and software. ”
“ Search engines (including the native enWS one) are only looking at what's transcluded to and viewable in the mainspace. Because the lyrics are being marked as noinclude, they're not being transcluded. The whole point of comments is that they are only seen when editing. The lyrics within the scores are part of the image and are therefore not searchable. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:55, 9 June 2018 (UTC) Thanks. , Is there a 'collapse' template that keeps the content, but hides it for a user but in a way search can still see it? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:06, 10 June 2018 (UTC) That I don't know. ”
“ So, yes, proofreading is needed. We also need to split the book into subpages. For Author:Robert Munro, I see that there are a couple of Index pages already loaded and waiting to be proofread. You can access them by clicking on the link "transcription project" on the Author page. The phrase "Digitized by Microsoft" is a watermark that they added at the time of doing the scan. Some editors here are erasing it before uploading the files. If it turns up in the OCR of a page I delete it, otherwise I just ignore it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC) re: tagging; best practices hi ”
“ The book is Tom Swift and His Photo Telephone.Thanks again, Maggie Mkjames100 (talk) 17:30, 2 August 2017 (UTC) @Mkjames100: It's frustrating when that happens. Usually what needs to happen is that the cache needs to be purged for the particular index. You can do that by going to the Index: page and clicking the recycle image in the top right corner. Because doing so will take you off to Commons, I generally try to remember to do it in a separate browser tab so that I don't have to try to navigate back again. ”
“ I link to those that should be created as well—even though it's a redlink. Periodically a couple of our editors go through the list of redlinked authors and create pages with as much info as they can research from other sources. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC) transclusion monitoring templates Hi. {{index transcluded}} should migrate to {{index validated date}} rather than be in addition to it as per Special:Diff/6548187/prev. Ta. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC) Hmm. Never noticed the index transcluded template before. Must be a new thing. ”
“ It has been a long time coming, but I feel I now have sufficient info to tackle it. Chopin's nocturne "sounds" much like Coates' poetry reads to me (I particularly like Brigitte Engerer's playing of the Nocturne) , and I have always associated it with her poems. I came to find later that Mrs. Coates was apparently quite proficient at playing Chopin's works in particular. That served as confirmation for me :) Thanks for all, Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC) Of course I'm happy for you to continue on with the bass clef. ”
“ Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:34, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Thanks. The playback problem must be at my end. I'll try from a different computer when I get the opportunity. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Proofreading Quality check notices Thanks for the reverts on the relevant talk pages.However, it was left because the item mentioned had been missed on both a proofread and validation. If you think it's not appropriate to warn about missed items like that, perhaps you could suggest a more appropriate response, other than to fix the relevant formatting or typos? ”
“ However, it may well be enough (once I've sorted the file issue) . Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2017 (UTC) about wikimania - the programme is out, https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme and thoughts turn to how to occupy all that coder talent. and there is time to proselytize about all the neat-o wikisource stuff going on. also a beginner’s guide would be nice in order to welcome newbies. Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 10:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC) i am a fan of IMSLP and also cpdl.org, but these are pdf based. a roadblock to getting to pad / phone use is music transcription. ”
“ Who is allowed to use them? Nothing I do is an automatic help bot or gadget. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 19:02, 28 January 2017 (UTC) The way I'm using Phe-bot is performing Match and Split. See Help:Match and Split for guidance on how and when to use the bot. This is the only automated process I use here. I should say that sometimes using the bot is quite complex. It's taking a couple of hours to process each chapter of this work. That's because of the formating complexities in the original mainspace version (I wish I'd picked a simpler work to do this weekend) . ”
“ Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC) \header { title = "NOCTURNE." subtitle = "After Chopin Nocturne Op 9 No 2" poet = "Poet" composer = "Frédéric Chopin" arranger = "Transcribed by Wikisource" tagline = "generated by Lilypond v2.16.2" copyright = "Public domain" } Over at Lilypond, it mentions that by default only "piece" and "opus" text fields are printed in a score (those will render when I try) . It mentions something about changing the default, but when I try to copy/paste their method, I get error readings (like use \layout vs. \paper &c.; or, \book not recognized &c.) . ”
“ The first half of bar 6 is a florid version of the first half of bar 2. Looking ahead, bars 14 & 22 are also the same as these two. I must study Chopin's musical language a bit more. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC) A Season's Greeting and a thank you for your help with the Nocturne. A printed copy of the melody (with lyrics added) was a gift for my daughter (who loves the nocturne) , and hearing her sing it was a "gift" to me :) I will continue adding to the bass clef soon. Merry Christmas! Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:23, 25 December 2017 (UTC) Hello, Beeswaxcandle. ”
“ I can't see any proper place. Thanks. - Alumnum (talk) 07:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC) @Alumnum: The source information for your document goes on the Talk: page, the link for which is labelled "discussion". There is a special template {{textinfo}} that you should use. Just fill out the relevant fields and leave the other blank. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:49, 2 March 2018 (UTC) Thanks. I've just done this. - Alumnum (talk) 05:08, 6 March 2018 (UTC) Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey Hello! ”
“ Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC) No approach is ideal, and none will be until Mediawiki has PROPER support for 'side-titles', in a meaningful way. I don't see that happening given that Mediawiki developments recently seem to have focused on laregely Wikipedia issues. Another test: User:ShakespeareFan00/distress_act use 3 templates {{statute/s}} {{statute/e}} and the {{cl-act-title/sandbox}} but it's hardly a complex example, and is of course desktop only. ”
“ Otherwise I would set it with just a single space.There does seem to be quite a lot published by Dunsany prior to 1923, so we could certainly add some more of his work. It really depends if we can find scans. ”
“ I’ve add a Lilypond score for that, with small caveats:% Original had beams perfectly horizontal, whereas here % the beams slope upwards from left to right. % Is continuing staff after bar line needed? Is this good enough to move from Problematic to Proofread status? Shenme (talk) 23:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC) Yes, it looks fine to me. The rise on the beam looks good. The continuing staff is an artefact of the what the typesetter had available, so it isn't needed. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:08, 16 October 2018 (UTC) (DMM) How to know/judge when "typo" within score? ”
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